Members Buttcrust Posted December 5, 2014 Members Share Posted December 5, 2014 picked up at the local pawn shop for 70 bucks...It has a "Made in Korea" sticker on the back of the head stock...that's it, no other markings...any guesses ? thing rocks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phaeton Posted December 5, 2014 Members Share Posted December 5, 2014 Kinda looks like a re-sprayed Harmony, the type that was in the JCPenny catalogue in variations throughout the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buttcrust Posted December 5, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 5, 2014 cool, thanks for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buttcrust Posted December 5, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 5, 2014 I don't believe it has been refinished, the sticker on the back is on the white paint on the back of the neck...I do believe a refin would have removed the sticker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wankdeplank Posted December 5, 2014 Members Share Posted December 5, 2014 Impossible to tell, but I would have pulled the trigger as well for dinner change just based on the looks and the MIK sticker. MIK is the new MIJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 MIK is the new MIJ. lol....no....it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phaeton Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 cool' date=' thanks for the reply[/quote'] I could be wrong btw- that was just my first guess looking at it. However, had I seen that on the wall I would have definitely pulled it down and given it a whirl. I *love* kitschy old guitars and amps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DonK Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 lol....no....it really isn't. Tru dat. MIJ in the old days meant BETTER than MIA. MIK has never come close to meaning that, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DonK Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 No idea what it is - the lack of a headstock logo speaks volumes in a weird sort of way - but it looks to me like Mustang-meets-Wilshire-meets-P-Bass-meets-Burns-meets-Rondo, lol. Worth some chump-change just for the novelty. Probably something from the Cort factory akin to what Boeing calls a "white-tail". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wankdeplank Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 Tru dat. MIJ in the old days meant BETTER than MIA. MIK has never come close to meaning that, lol. Oh come on, I've had so many MIJ guitars from the "old days" that weren't even close to being all that. Started out on a Teisco Strat copy back in the 60's that certainly wasn't anything special. Had an MIJ Squier that had the highest frets I've ever seen and buzzed all over the neck because it wouldn't stay set up. My friend has an MIJ Fender Strat that is just the brightest shrill guitar I've ever heard - terrible Strat. Had an El Degas Tele that was a total piece of crap with the neck coming in too low to the body. Another friend had the Crestwood, yawn and the Univox Ripper whose frets just wore out in no time. Best MIJ for me was an Aria Pro II RS Bobcat - sounds good, plays good but the frets must not have been the best quality because had to dress because of pitting. Actually had more luck with the old acoustics (Aspen, Alvarez) than the electrics. In comparison, I've got a Korean made Washburn P290 and a Carlos Robelli 335 copy that are damn near perfect (particularly the 335). The truth is that time and nostalgia make everything better and that's what I was mainly referring to with the reference. (And I'm well aware that Japan makes some contemporary instruments that are topshelf and at topshelf prices so let's not turn this into a pissing contest.) I've got some nice instruments, mostly MIA (five), and that Korean made CR 335 copy takes a back seat to none of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 Oh come on, I've had so many MIJ guitars from the "old days" that weren't even close to being all that. Started out on a Teisco Strat copy back in the 60's that certainly wasn't anything special. Had an MIJ Squier that had the highest frets I've ever seen and buzzed all over the neck because it wouldn't stay set up. My friend has an MIJ Fender Strat that is just the brightest shrill guitar I've ever heard - terrible Strat. Had an El Degas Tele that was a total piece of crap with the neck coming in too low to the body. Another friend had the Crestwood, yawn and the Univox Ripper whose frets just wore out in no time. Best MIJ for me was an Aria Pro II RS Bobcat - sounds good, plays good but the frets must not have been the best quality because had to dress because of pitting. Actually had more luck with the old acoustics (Aspen, Alvarez) than the electrics. In comparison, I've got a Korean made Washburn P290 and a Carlos Robelli 335 copy that are damn near perfect (particularly the 335). The truth is that time and nostalgia make everything better and that's what I was mainly referring to with the reference. (And I'm well aware that Japan makes some contemporary instruments that are topshelf and at topshelf prices so let's not turn this into a pissing contest.) I've got some nice instruments, mostly MIA (five), and that Korean made CR 335 copy takes a back seat to none of them. You already made it a pissing contest. Obviously he's not talking about the first generation of MIJ when they were getting their feet wet making guitars. He's addressing my comment which was addressing the comment that "MIK is the new MIJ" ....ie in terms of hype. And everyone knows (who's even remotely into MIJ guitars) that the MIJ's being talked about are their "golden era" from the very late 70's and early 80's. Names like Greco, Tokai, Burny and early Navigators. Have you had any experience with those? Cause those are the "old days"....never mind current MIJ. Nobody anywhere....ever....has said the 60's MIJ were great guitars and they don't get "hype" so they can't possibly be the comparison for MIK being the "new" MIJ. It's easy to cherry pick a few low end MIJ guitars you've had experience with and completely ignore the ones built to specs equaling the best the US has ever made, and then say those weren't "all that". And sorry but Fender Japan are NOT considered that great in the world of MIJ....(aside from the very first HIGH END JV's) Show me some Korean guitars, from any era, built to the specs of the late 70's early 80's Greco's, Tokais, Burny's and Navigators. Cause I've looked and never seen anything even remotely close. Betcha can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wankdeplank Posted December 6, 2014 Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 Opinions are like ****************************s, everyone's got one. Funny how I never see you pop out of the woodwork, unless someone challenges the superiority of your precious MIJs. Not you or anybody else has to explain to me what the "old days" meant, I was there I lived it. (All of the MIJ guitars I mentioned came from the "golden era" as you put it, save for the Teisco - I even forgot to mention a POS Ibanez "Lawsuit LP" I once owned.) Man you are like the Al Sharpton of MIJ guitars never defending anything but one of your own. You don't want equal, you want exalted with special treatment - don't think I haven't heard you express how superior your MIJs are to MIA. I have never said that I don't like all MIJ guitars, I don't discriminate against any type of lineage. I currently have two MIJs in the collection - an Aria Pro II RS Bobcat and an Alvarez Yairi built acoustic and I like em just fine thank you. But no I'm not interested in cashing in my Gibson, Hamers, or Fenders so I can buy Greco, Tokai, Burny and Navigators, sorry. See I'm old enough to remember when MIJ was associated with cheap crap much more so than any manufacturing country is today. So much so that the Japanese started to label everything made in usa, claiming usa was a location in Japan. Certainly not the case today of course, but just a reminder of how nostalgia glosses over those good old days, forgets the poor examples, glorifies the good, and turns the whole thing into a "Golden Era". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buttcrust Posted December 6, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2014 for a cheapie, it is actually a nice, little electric guitar...simple, sounds great with a bit of reverb/echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knotty Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 Oh come on, I've had so many MIJ guitars from the "old days" that weren't even close to being all that. Started out on a Teisco Strat copy back in the 60's that certainly wasn't anything special. Had an MIJ Squier that had the highest frets I've ever seen and buzzed all over the neck because it wouldn't stay set up. My friend has an MIJ Fender Strat that is just the brightest shrill guitar I've ever heard - terrible Strat. Had an El Degas Tele that was a total piece of crap with the neck coming in too low to the body. Another friend had the Crestwood, yawn and the Univox Ripper whose frets just wore out in no time. Best MIJ for me was an Aria Pro II RS Bobcat - sounds good, plays good but the frets must not have been the best quality because had to dress because of pitting. Actually had more luck with the old acoustics (Aspen, Alvarez) than the electrics. In comparison, I've got a Korean made Washburn P290 and a Carlos Robelli 335 copy that are damn near perfect (particularly the 335). The truth is that time and nostalgia make everything better and that's what I was mainly referring to with the reference. (And I'm well aware that Japan makes some contemporary instruments that are topshelf and at topshelf prices so let's not turn this into a pissing contest.) I've got some nice instruments, mostly MIA (five), and that Korean made CR 335 copy takes a back seat to none of them. I have a 94 MIJ Strat and its fantastic. Build quality, tone and sustain. All original too. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phaeton Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 for a cheapie' date=' it is actually a nice, little electric guitar...simple, sounds great with a bit of reverb/echo[/quote'] You should record an impromptu tune and call it "Anonymous Guitar". I'd like to hear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buttcrust Posted December 7, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 I'll play along to a simple backing track, some sort of jazzy swing thing or something, or maybe something a bit heavier, punk or classic rock tune...or a fusion BT...I'll dicker with it soon...and post a vid, maybe tomorrow...in the mean time, here is a vid my tenant had me make for him. He is one of my tenants, disabled, was in an accident, not his fault, and wrecked his bwains...but he can play pretty darn OK...Gretch center block Electromatic 2014, Gibson GA-5W. He was a college music major until he got messed up...20 years ago... He says happy holidays to all, good guy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buttcrust Posted December 7, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 He is so much better than me in the way he performs. I can't play like him...but he...well, no one...lol...can play like me...olo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buttcrust Posted December 7, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 thank Providence...olo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 Opinions are like ****************************s, everyone's got one. Funny how I never see you pop out of the woodwork, unless someone challenges the superiority of your precious MIJs. Not you or anybody else has to explain to me what the "old days" meant, I was there I lived it. (All of the MIJ guitars I mentioned came from the "golden era" as you put it, save for the Teisco - I even forgot to mention a POS Ibanez "Lawsuit LP" I once owned.) Man you are like the Al Sharpton of MIJ guitars never defending anything but one of your own. You don't want equal, you want exalted with special treatment - don't think I haven't heard you express how superior your MIJs are to MIA. I have never said that I don't like all MIJ guitars, I don't discriminate against any type of lineage. I currently have two MIJs in the collection - an Aria Pro II RS Bobcat and an Alvarez Yairi built acoustic and I like em just fine thank you. But no I'm not interested in cashing in my Gibson, Hamers, or Fenders so I can buy Greco, Tokai, Burny and Navigators, sorry. See I'm old enough to remember when MIJ was associated with cheap crap much more so than any manufacturing country is today. So much so that the Japanese started to label everything made in usa, claiming usa was a location in Japan. Certainly not the case today of course, but just a reminder of how nostalgia glosses over those good old days, forgets the poor examples, glorifies the good, and turns the whole thing into a "Golden Era". lol...that's because I don't try to talk about sh.... I don't know about. But by all means...keep projecting yourself onto me, and hang on to all that conformation bias, and sweeping generalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HoobaStunk Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 Pop the pickguard off and look inside. Note manufacturers of hardware. Maybe take the neck off and look at the neck pocket for clues. I wouldn't be surprised if someone stuck the Made In Korea sticker on it, but it's actually a 70's MIJ guitar that's been refinished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wankdeplank Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 They do make some good ones, never said they don't. I enjoy the hell out of my Aria Pro II Bobcat and my Alvarez acoustic, both MIJ. I got called on the carpet for saying that "MIK is the new MIJ", referring to the nostalgia of years gone by and the chance to get something of some quality on the used market for not a lot of coin. But apparently my impromptu comment didn't meet with the approval of the MIJ compliance committee. And now I'm apparently guilty of projecting myself onto someone and "conformation" bias whatever the hell that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wankdeplank Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 lol...that's because I don't try to talk about sh.... I don't know about. But by all means...keep projecting yourself onto me, and hang on to all that conformation bias, and sweeping generalizations. Wow, I get blasted for making an off the cuff comment "MIK is the new MIJ" and I'm the one projecting, really amazing. I mean I really didn't intend to insult anybody with that statement - the OP got it and appreciated the spirit it was meant in, i.e. the nostalgia of something no longer available new and the lure of a possible great bargain on the used market. And as to conformation bias, not sure what that means exactly, conform to what. Confirmation my dear man, confirmation!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theManfromAlabam Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 The neck looks to be a Samick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 Wow, I get blasted for making an off the cuff comment "MIK is the new MIJ" and I'm the one projecting, really amazing. I mean I really didn't intend to insult anybody with that statement - the OP got it and appreciated the spirit it was meant in, i.e. the nostalgia of something no longer available new and the lure of a possible great bargain on the used market. And as to conformation bias, not sure what that means exactly, conform to what. Confirmation my dear man, confirmation!!!! OK...excuse my spelling mistake. confirmation bias....hopefully you know what the definition of that is and how it infests your opinion on this subject. Call me "Al Sharpton" and get emotional all you want. Doesn't change the fact that you can't produce a logical argument to support your views. Bottom line is you make strawman arguments that fit your confirmation bias and then tear them down and act like you've somehow proved your point. Let me provide your argument from a different perspective..... American guitars are over rated yeah? what american guitars have you played? well.....I had a 70's fender bronco, gibson marauder, S1 and Corvus. I had a 70's tele that was ALRIGHT....oh and I forgot to mention a crappy 14 pound 70's Les Paul custom.....but seriously....USA guitars....it's just a bunch of hype. And you're right.....I do come out of the woodwork when people like you make sweeping generalizations. NOBODY into MIJ guitars ANYWHERE has EVER said they were ALL amazing guitars...like you imply. NOBODY into MIJ guitars "forgets" the crappy ones they made in the 60's and early 70's. So when you say s.... like that I'm going to call you out on it. EVERY time. YOUR strawman...not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wankdeplank Posted December 7, 2014 Members Share Posted December 7, 2014 Like I said before, you reacted to a comment I made regarding MIK guitars. How this could be misconstrued in a derisive manner is beyond me. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as the expression goes. As I said, I was implying the bargain and nostalgic aspect more than anything else, which applies as Japanese guitar manufacturing started out and existed for many years as a budget copy operation. The OP had even talked about how fabulous an old MIK Casino was in a previous thread. I'm no expert, but I think there is probably a drop off in quality when companies relocate and train new labor, not to mention the fact that tonewood supplies are being depleted, and that multi-piece bodies are now more prevalent particularly with budget guitars. Given the choice, I'll take my chances with a good MIK than one made in China or Indonesia. So as you can see, my comment was primarily geared toward the budget market - where some incredible bargains exist I may add, be it MIJ, MIK or MIC. The OP had purchased a guitar for $70 freakin dollars after all. I'm not going to buy a Caparison any more than I'm going to buy a new Rickenbacker. I'm not inclined to buy much of anything these days as my guitar collection is complete in my eyes and I love every last one of them - the MIAs, the MIJs, the MIKs, the MIMs, even the dirt cheap MIC Silvertone acoustic I bought as my beater "campfire" guitar. Your comment regarding certain MIA guitars to be overrated is absolutely true. I'd never wear a frickin thirteen pound boat anchor around my neck. It really doesn't matter the Country of manufacture, lemons exist everywhere. And as for Strawman arguments, I don't really follow you on that because I never ever said either explicitly or implicitly that all Japanese guitars sucked or that the good examples weren't as good as the best from anywhere else. My point was that in the bargain category, my experience has not been much better with MIJ than MIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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