Members MediaMan09 Posted March 5, 2012 Members Share Posted March 5, 2012 Just trying to think this one thru a bit and summarized thoughts in the attached. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleRGuitars Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Amazing thread and thanks to all who are involved. I just ordered an iPB-10 from Guitar Center (got 10% off and had a bunch of gift cards). This thing looks amazing and I can't wait to get it going with my Dr. Z Maz 18 NR head and EVH 5150 Micro III head.Has anyone found a case that holds and protects the iPB-10 well? I'd like to protect it to and from gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MediaMan09 Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 One oversight , I think, on the ipb-10, is the location of the Bank LED display. For me anyway, it is blocked (by my foot) when using the up/down stomp swithces. This problem did not exist on the RP-1000. I would hope that when the the ipb-10 external footswitch is developed, they consider this point, and have a suitably located LED on that footswtich - like was done the Control 2. See attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by MediaMan09 I would hope that when the the ipb-10 external footswitch is developed, they consider this point, and have a suitably located LED on that footswtich We will utilize the existing FS3X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MediaMan09 Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by DigiTechRep We will utilize the existing FS3X. That will work , ie if you cant replicate the LED, then replicate the up/down switches! Good. Works for me. The FS3X has a mode switch. You can really make strides here if that could be a user configurable function. I for example, would love to be able to use it to cycle through my favorite presets (assuming one can tag the presets that way). If it cannot be user configured, what is the intended/planned use of the mode switch for the ipb-10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by MediaMan09 The FS3X has a mode switch. You can really make strides here if that could be a user configurable function. I for example, would love to be able to use it to cycle through my favorite presets (assuming one can tag the presets that way). For this initial go-round it will be used to control looping functions. If it cannot be user configured, what is the intended/planned use of the mode switch for the ipb-10? User configurability is definitely on our feature list, but right now the absolute highest priority is looping functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MediaMan09 Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by DigiTechRep User configurability is definitely on our feature list..... Excellent, many thanks for your continued help and support here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by MediaMan09 Excellent, many thanks for your continued help and support here. No problem! Just FYI, I'll be at SXSW all next week so my participation will be low for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted March 7, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by DigiTechRep No problem! Just FYI, I'll be at SXSW all next week so my participation will be low for a bit. You have an official excuse from the moderator Let us know if you see any hot bands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MediaMan09 Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Re FS3X, I built a DIY version of for the FS3X last year for my JAMMAN STEREO. Think it ended costing about $20+ (radio shack switches, diodes, cases. Works fine, but I think this time around I’ll just buy one as I think they run around $40 US or so – and come with a cable, and better switches. So that’s not so terrible after all. Only the best for my ipb-10 : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mck Posted March 7, 2012 Members Share Posted March 7, 2012 Originally Posted by DigiTechRep We will utilize the existing FS3X. Great!!! I had one of those in my cupboard bought for my original JamMan! I love recycling. Originally Posted by DigiTechRep For this initial go-round it will be used to control looping functions. Super. Makes even more sense as my FS3X is used to looping! Originally Posted by DigiTechRep User configurability is definitely on our feature list, but right now the absolute highest priority is looping functionality. Super. Great developments. Can't wait to see this new release. Please continue to pay attention to the crashes as well. Though much less, I am still able to crash the IPB-Nexus running on iPad1. Thanks much for all the hardwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VTReconcileD Posted March 10, 2012 Members Share Posted March 10, 2012 Anyone have any experience using the ipb-10 with an acoustic guitar? I typically just use a Boss AD-3 and and an EQ pedal with my acoustic, but wondering if the ipb-10 could replace that simple set-up. I like the idea of having some delays available when playing acoustic. Just wondering if anyone's done this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 12, 2012 Members Share Posted March 12, 2012 Originally Posted by VTReconcileD Anyone have any experience using the ipb-10 with an acoustic guitar? I typically just use a Boss AD-3 and and an EQ pedal with my acoustic, but wondering if the ipb-10 could replace that simple set-up. I like the idea of having some delays available when playing acoustic. Just wondering if anyone's done this... California Guitar Trio are all using the iPB-10 and they are exclusively acoustic guitarists. I have a video around here somewhere... Ah, here 'tis: http://vimeo.com/33682522 I think that sounds pretty okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MediaMan09 Posted March 12, 2012 Members Share Posted March 12, 2012 I am a real David Locke fan and am trying to emulate his 'tone' in this great rendition of Whiter Shade of Pale. Is there an ipb-10 preset (or a modified preset) that would be close in tone to this ? : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loopster007 Posted March 12, 2012 Members Share Posted March 12, 2012 I bought a new iPB-10 this weekend and I thought I would give it a quick review.Opened box to check out the new toy. Hmm.. No manual. Looks like I will need to go online to get it, or maybe it's so easy to use I don't need it. I hope for the latter.Opened little enclosed box that had power supply for iPB-10. Major Disappointment.It looks like DT bought these from a vendor and spec'd out the cheapest thing they could.The power supply was made from fairly thin plastic and had the weakest looking cable coming out from it. The actual iPB-10 has no strain relief so anyone walking on the power cable could break it or rip it out of the unit. My dog did it in the first half hour. No device I have ever used had such a weak power supply. No gigging with this unit. The power subsystem appears to be designed for home usage.Next was to actually plug it in and see if it works. Downloaded the iPad app, connected everything up and got a "firware out of rev." notification. Searched for firmware loader and firmware file to upload via my iPad but could not find it. Had to download a app to my Mac, hook it up via USB to the iPB-10 then the app went out and found the latest firmware and uploaded it to the iPB-10. It took a while to upload the firmware, then I restarted the iPB-10.At this time the unit actually installs the firmware and that too a bit of time also, but completed successfully.Disconnected from the Mac, reconnected the iPad, amp, guitar, etc.Tried to manipulate a few of the pedals, presets, etc. Everything seemed very easy to setup and configure. Nice! Couldn't find the "looper". Downloaded docs and searched. Nada. Hmm.. My primary tool for practice is not included. I guess I will keep my Boss looper handy.I spend most of my time using the compressor, OD, delay and reverb. Found the sounds to be OK, but had an unusual tone that I was not familiar with. Not bad, just different.I noted that the iPad is only used to configure the iPB-10 and doesn't actually create any of the "tones". I wondered how pedals emulated via the iPad would compair to pedals emulated via the iPB-10. I set the iPB to a patch that used only pedals and not amp or cab sim. I removed all the pedals. I then started up GarageBand on the iPad. I started using a couple of it's pedals to compair. I think they sounded "better" to me, but not like I was used to. Hmm. Not sure. Disabled the pedals in GarageBand. Still sounds "funny".. Exited GB and used the IPB with no pedals, amps, or cabs. At this point the IPB should be sending my guitar signal in and back out with no modifications. Again I noted my "funny" sound. It seems like the conversion from analog to digital within the IPB was changing how my guitar sounded. It didn't sound like a Strat anymore. It sounded like I had my Guitar plugged into a "AM" pedal or something. It was coverting my "tone/sound/etc." from Analog to something that sounded like it was coming from an AM radio. Not good.I realize my Boss RC-2 and my Boss DD-20 pedals are both fully digital pedals, but neigher colors or mods the sound coming them the way the IPB does. I don't begin to think that we live in a total Analog world, but the IPB squished/squashed/something to the sound coming in. I thought about setting up a sound generator and a scope on the output to determine what was going on, but I decided that no matter what I found, I would not be able to change the outcome.Unfortunatly I will be returning my IPB back to GC. It seems like the manufacturer spent some time trying to build a nice unit, but possibly lost focus on what was the purpose of the unit, or marketing/development changed it's mind on what it was building micourse.Pro/Amature Gigging? No way. Power unit is cheaper than anything currently available with any other product. Power cable very thin and made of low cost plastic. No strain relief. I/you will have problems with power. If you drop the power supply you will probably break it. First time you trip on the cord you will break it. Prepare to be upset.Setup: Unit uses an iPad to config it's patches. Very will done, lots of features with only a few missing. Wondering if the same thing could be done with an iPhone or iTouch. iPad takes up so much real estate for something that is only used to configure it. It is nice that the iPad display shows the patch, but an iTouch/iPhone would suffice and there are millions more of them.Construction: Seems pretty solid, heavy duty casing made of cast aluminum alloy. Actually fairly heavy duty, looks ready for constant usage in most any environment. Switches have big click to let you know you made a switch. Expression pedal is smooth with a fair amount of drag so it won't fall by itself, get bumped by a cable, etc. Switches spaced a bit apart but the patch number display is a little close to one of the patch selection switchs. Very usable.Overall, I am disappointed with the unit. I am not sure where it will fit in as compaired to other units.I have other MFX's that sound much better, but are not so easy to configure. I have other MFX's that have more features, but are not so easy to configure.I have other MFX's that have a reliable power system, this one is not.I have other MFX's that don't require an iPad, this one does.It seems to be a very strong heavy unit that is easy to configure, requires and iPad, sounds like other Digitech Units, has a bad power unit, and is fairly expensive.Power system too weak for gigging.Sound quality too weak for quality recording.Prices tag too strong for home usage.My Opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve350 Posted March 12, 2012 Members Share Posted March 12, 2012 Originally Posted by DigiTechRep California Guitar Trio are all using the iPB-10 and they are exclusively acoustic guitarists. I have a video around here somewhere... Ah, here 'tis: http://vimeo.com/33682522 I think that sounds pretty okay... Sorry but after 3 minutes, I found that to be monotonous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve350 Posted March 12, 2012 Members Share Posted March 12, 2012 Originally Posted by MediaMan09 I am a real David Locke fan and am trying to emulate his 'tone' in this great rendition of Whiter Shade of Pale. Is there an ipb-10 preset (or a modified preset) that would be close in tone to this ? : I always enjoyed that tune. He does a great job with it! Thanks for posting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted March 13, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Loopster007 - regarding the "funny" sound, are you sure you had the correct setting for going through an amp and not a mixer? That trips up a lot of people, and if the I/O isn't set correctly, you won't get the right sound.As to the power supply, that shouldn't be a deal-breaker. I found it comparable to a lot of other units, but if you're concerned about having something more durable, it's a 9V/2A/negative tip power supply so it would not be hard to find a heavier-duty replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkyhighRocks Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 I've been using the iPB at gigs now since early December. Haven't had any issues with the power or anything for that matter. It's performed flawlessly and I'm not getting a weird sound or tone out of it. Looks like user error to me. I've done casino gigs, small bars, theaters and the like....no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loopster007 Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Anderton - I will setup the IPB again tonight and document my patch settings. As I recall it was patch 132 or something. The patch had no amp or cab sims. After selecting the patch that had no amp or cab sims, I first turned off all the pedals, then actually removed all pedals from the patch. I didn't change any setting for amp or mixer. I'm not sure what that is or where to configure it. I will look at the interface again and review the manual to see if I can find it. From your note I see you are recommending an amp. I will see if I can come up with some pics. Thanks! SkyhighRocks - That's great that you are having success with the IPB in your gigging. I like my stuff to be industrial strength due to the environment it has to live in. It's basically living under mine and everyone's feet. I know to be careful, but I have lost many guitar cables due to other people stepping on them as they come out of the MFX and break the 1/4" connectors.(Damm drummers and their big feet!) The physical MFX unit seems very strong but I am let down the power system does not match the rest of the unit. I realize I can upgrade the power supply, but I am just noting that no other MFX or pedal I own has come with such a weak power supply case and flimsy cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Loopster007, the iPB-10 uses the same converters and DNA2 chips that our RP and GSP series uses, and has used, for years now. These are high-quality full frequency 24/48 converters and processors. If you were hearing a weird "AM" sound then either something was configured incorrectly or there is something wrong with the unit. Poor sound quality is not one of the things we are hearing about from the field, on this or any other unit that uses our converters and DNA2 chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleRGuitars Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Any chance for an update featuring bass amp models and effects? I'm a guitarist and bassist in two different bands and would love for my iPB-10 to be used for both settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Originally Posted by DoubleRGuitars Any chance for an update featuring bass amp models and effects? I'm a guitarist and bassist in two different bands and would love for my iPB-10 to be used for both settings. The effects you can use now, the iPB-10 is full frequency so it works equally well on bass. Bass Amp models are coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleRGuitars Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Originally Posted by DigiTechRep The effects you can use now, the iPB-10 is full frequency so it works equally well on bass. Bass Amp models are coming. You guys are amazing. I knew, after reading this thread, that taking the plunge on this unit would be worth it. I'm extremely impressed with your continued attention to and interest in us consumers. I predict a long and awesome relationship with my iPB-10 and Digitech products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DigiTechRep Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Originally Posted by DoubleRGuitars You guys are amazing. I knew, after reading this thread, that taking the plunge on this unit would be worth it. I'm extremely impressed with your continued attention to and interest in us consumers. I predict a long and awesome relationship with my iPB-10 and Digitech products. Right on man! I hope it helps to inspire cool music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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