Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yep, I'd agree about Fripp. I'm including his solos from "Matte Kudasai" and from Bowie's "Teenage Wildlife" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Birdy Posted December 30, 2008 Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 Pete Anderson's (?) Incendiary Telecaster solo at the end of "Long White Cadillac" which causes lead singer to exclaim at the end "Psychedelic!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oiadscient Posted December 30, 2008 Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 No doubt the perfect example is King Crimson - Ladies of the Road [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members akapuli Posted December 30, 2008 Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 First, it's not just Belew, second, I'm trying to eliminate solos that fall outside the bounds of recognizing chord changes and diatonic harmony.Upper structures?I'm looking for solos that dance on the very edge of the harmonic environmentwhile still staying with bounds and having harmonic content. I LOVE Belew, but out of all his solo albums and King Crimson material I can't think of anything he did that really stretched the bounds of diatonic harmony without breaking it. His work with the Bears was very diatonic, but but was too straight.Another great example of the kind of solos I'm describing: Dave Gregory on "That Wave" by XTC. The first time I heard that, it was a real 'ear stretcher' and really kinda' floored me. It was 'outside' while still being 'inside'if that makes any sense.So you're looking for some pop material? Vaya Con Dios had 'strange' (for the pop sound) gypsy style guitar solos. I sweat when I try to play it 'a tempo'.Do you know Greg Koch? Mainly Blues-Rock, but always with tricks.Robben Ford's solo on the Don't let me be misunderstood. Youtube has a live version. Diatonic, some outside lines and upperstructure phrases. A true master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members akapuli Posted December 30, 2008 Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 After listening the XTC song, I still don't understand why to exclude Belew. He does this kind of soloing much better. This kind of playing could be heard from Vernon Reid (Living Colour) too. Me'shell Ndg....whoever :-) also has unique solos on her albums, mainly from Fuze and David Torn. Suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 No doubt the perfect example is King Crimson - Ladies of the Road No, not really. So you're looking for some pop material? No, it doesn't have to be pop. Really the only way I can explain it is to suggest listen to the first and last solos I mentioned. Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" and XTC's "That Wave" I'm scouring the Steelt Dan catalog for more, because I know I've heard things of this ilk from them before, just can't recall the songs. And the solo by Lifeson on "YYZ" gets close, but not quite there. I may use it anyway.Same with the solo on "Miss Gradenko" by the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeremy_green Posted December 30, 2008 Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 I always liked Liefson's solo in "Limelight". More for the phrasing and pure originality though. Marc Ribot is pretty heavy at stretching the boundaries although he isnt what anyone would determine as pop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 Well, again it doesn't have to be pop And yes, the solo on "Limelight" is another good one. That one resides on a disc of more straight forward solos though. I'm still trying to decide whether or not Marc Ribot's solo on "Dead and Lovely" by Tom Waits is too 'inside' or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 30, 2008 Maybe I can be more specific about the subject under discussion here. It began with my dissatisfaction with very 'inside' majorminor solos. and then I recalled an interview with Vernon Reid. He went into some detail about how a player can generate a good deal of tension in single note playing. All while staying within the bounds of a major scale, by just using those intervals that have a high degree of dissonance. A tritone being the most obvious and dissonant interval. But there are others. The solo from "That Wave" by XTC is a prime example. Descending 6ths, tritonesdim 5th's, Maj and min 7ths. And it's how they are used as well. In this case Bbmaj tonality is the harmonic foundation, and the solo sounds like it's out there on a limb to the point of almost falling off. Hope that helps clear the muddy waters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oiadscient Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I hear tritones in Ladies of The Road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gennation Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Walking On The Moon by The Police/Summers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Walking On The Moon by The Police/Summers I don't recall a solo in that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alai Posted January 2, 2009 Members Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dream theater - Erotomania (first solo, begins at around 1:50). Agreed. Being a big John Petrucci fan, almost all of his solos have bits are parts that are peculiar, and makes for very interesting/complex playing. The one you mentioned on Erotomania does sound completely off the wall, on and off keys and moves everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted January 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted January 3, 2009 I hear tritones in Ladies of The Road Well, if that's all it took... Erotomania does sound completely off the wall, on and off keys and moves everywhere Now we're getting somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted January 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted January 3, 2009 The guitar solos around 3.10 and 4.10 are some of the weirdest lines in a pop song I've ever heard. Those guitar lines are certainly non-traditional, I'll gives ya' that Barry. Atonal with a pitch transposer, I think the guitar player with the Residents (not Snakefinger, the current guy) copped his entire approach from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 3, 2009 Members Share Posted January 3, 2009 This is the first one that I thought of. [YOUTUBE]4bTlZDZOj-8[/YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTlZDZOj-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pinkzep52 Posted January 3, 2009 Members Share Posted January 3, 2009 You could also check out Taxman - The BeatlesWhen the Music's Over - The DoorsDarkshines - MuseCareful With That Axe, Eugene (Off of Ummagumma) - Pink FloydAlmost all Primus, Jerry Was a Racecar Driver and My Name is Mud are good ones.Kings - Steely DanFive Per Cent for Nothing - Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend Cheese Posted January 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted January 3, 2009 Kings - Steely Dan I'll check that one out. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MisterTV Posted January 6, 2009 Members Share Posted January 6, 2009 Cobain's solo at the end of Aero Zeppelin is oddball-sounding, but pretty great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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