Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 I'm putting together a disc for myself, and some of my guitar students.I'm targeting unsual guitar solos and I need some help with ideas. I'm NOT thinking Adrian Belew, Tom Morrelo etc. It began with the ending guitar solo for Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" which to my ears is a bit idiosyncratic. Any others along those lines that anyone can think of? Thanks!
Members Megatron_69 Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 I'd throw some Holdsworth on there.
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 24, 2008 Author Members Posted December 24, 2008 Funny you should mention Holdsworth - I was working on the solo to "San Onofre" from "Sixteen Men of Tain" I was surprised to find it to be full of chromatic and diminished material. It starts off very major key based, but quickly goes off into some seriously weird places. Thanks.
Members Stackabones Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 I always loved this one. Just a tremolo on one note with a volume swell. [YOUTUBE]RDZc1xdnknI[/YOUTUBE] Andy Summers usually has something interesting and unusual.
Members Jasco Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 I'm putting together a disc for myself, and some of my guitar students.I'm targeting unsual guitar solos and I need some help with ideas.I'm NOT thinking Adrian Belew, Tom Morrelo etc.It began with the ending guitar solo for Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" which to my ears is a bit idiosyncratic.Any others along those lines that anyone can think of?Thanks! Try Jeff Beck, Phil Brown, and Neil Haverstick.
Members GreenAsJade Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 I always loved this one. Just a tremolo on one note with a volume swell. Funny, I'm not hearing any tremolo at all, just repeating picking with echo!
Members mosiddiqi Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 Check out Graham Coxon's solo on Blur's "Coffee and TV"..I can't post youtube vids from work unfortunately...it's a very odd solo I think but works perfectly in that song..
Members Jasco Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 Funny, I'm not hearing any tremolo at all, just repeating picking with echo! Tremolo, as a playing technique, is repeated picking on one note. Tremolo, as an electronically generated effect is volume swells, usually with control-able speed and intensity. The vibrato bar on guitars has been mis-named tremolo bar for so long that it causes confusion sometimes. (Fender also mis-named, or name swapped, tremolo and vibrato on their amps.)
Members nwtsnma Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 television - elevation or verlaine's solo on marquee moon
Members Stackabones Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 Tremolo, as a playing technique, is repeated picking on one note.Tremolo, as an electronically generated effect is volume swells, usually with control-able speed and intensity.The vibrato bar on guitars has been mis-named tremolo bar for so long that it causes confusion sometimes.(Fender also mis-named, or name swapped, tremolo and vibrato on their amps.) +1 Tremolo.
Members SteveWoodward Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 How about a one note solo...Neil Young Cinnamon Girl?
Members UberPwnage Posted December 24, 2008 Members Posted December 24, 2008 .It began with the ending guitar solo for Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" which to my ears is a bit idiosyncratic. thats one of my favs:thu:
Members gennation Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 I have a couple of my own for you... the first/main solo in this song. It's a mess but it's perfect...http://test.mikedodge.com/mvdmusic/MikeD1/BuriedAlive.mp3 or... http://test.mikedodge.com/mvdmusic/MikeD1/Contemplating.mp3 (backward guitar solo) http://test.mikedodge.com/mvdmusic/MikeD1/rubberlover.mp3 (the moaning woman guitar solo) A favorite of mine though is studio release solo on "You Can't Get What you Want" by Joe Jackson...perfectly different. There's no good version of it on youtube, but look it up it's a very "surprising" solo.
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 25, 2008 Author Members Posted December 25, 2008 Andy Summers usually has something interesting and unusual Well, that wasn't quite what I had in mind, but you did remind me of his solo on "Miss Gradenko" which was more what I had in mind. thats one of my favs Wasn't there a longer version without the fadeout? I'd swear I'd heard a longer solo on "EWtRtW" once upon a time. Thanks to everybody for all the suggestions. I'm hunting down the Joe Jackson now...
Members dyroot Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 I'm NOT thinking Adrian Belew, Tom Morrelo etc. Haha, Tom Morello's the first guy I thought of when I saw this thread
Members Jesse G Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 Try these leads from Tool. Very simple, abstract and powerful. I like Adam Jones' leads because they transition in and out very smoothly and you can't really pinpoint where "rhythm" ends and "lead" begins, and vice versa. It takes some practice to play these convincingly, just because it's such a different approach to lead playing and it's very abstract., with alot of varied picking dynamics and use of feedback. As a shredder guy who always strives to be tight and clean, this band really broadened my horizons when it comes to how I can use my pick and fingers to make music with a guitar. Tool- Stinkfist2:29- Starts with some wild scraping and then goes into some strategic strumming of whole-step and half step chords, and he uses feedback and sustain alot to get this big out of control vibe with the thing. Very simple, but very intense. [YOUTUBE]07pLGIgyfjw[/YOUTUBE] Tool- Eulogy6:27- "Starts" here and builds up in intensity with the drums and bass through 7:49 or so. What's unique about this lead is that his playing just sort of morphs slowly from "rhythm" to "lead" and back into "rhythm" very smoothly all in the same take. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roqLR036ImE[YOUTUBE]roqLR036ImE[/YOUTUBE]
Members Ang3lus Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 Dream theater - Erotomania (first solo, begins at around 1:50)Dream theater - Under a glass moon (Very unusual but VERY awesome too) only things I can think about right now.
Members GreenAsJade Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 Tremolo. ... so in there it correctly describes the most common meaning as a variation in amplitude. Which, as I said, is not what is happening in that solo, it's repeated picking. I was interested to read the second definition: "A regular and rapid repetition of a single note, which is scored as a single note, and particularly used on bowed string instruments, the balalaika, and plectrum instruments such as the mandolin family. On these latter instruments it is more often called a trill, but on electronic organ stops imitating these instruments it is generally called tremolo." ... I hadn't heard that before, and it's obviously what you are referring to. Maybe it's common in keys or mandolin or something? Is this a common usage in reference to guitar? This _is_ a guitar solo we're talking about... GaJ
Members Jasco Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 ... so in there it correctly describes the most common meaning as a variation in amplitude.Which, as I said, is not what is happening in that solo, it's repeated picking.I was interested to read the second definition:"A regular and rapid repetition of a single note, which is scored as a single note, and particularly used on bowed string instruments, the balalaika, and plectrum instruments such as the mandolin family. On these latter instruments it is more often called a trill, but on electronic organ stops imitating these instruments it is generally called tremolo."... I hadn't heard that before, and it's obviously what you are referring to. Maybe it's common in keys or mandolin or something? Is this a common usage in reference to guitar? This _is_ a guitar solo we're talking about...GaJ Yes. It is common usage in reference to guitar. http://www.ioannis.org/Flamenco/Publications.asp?id=1 http://www.guitarramagazine.com/goodtremolo http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guitar/Tremolo_Picking http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/760855/electric_guitar_tremolo_picking_licks.html?page=2 ...
Members GreenAsJade Posted December 25, 2008 Members Posted December 25, 2008 Well there ya go eh, here we are in the lesson loft and I learned something Now I can facepalm the next ignorant peasant who comes along with this lack in their education, eh bonesy? GaJ
Members akapuli Posted December 28, 2008 Members Posted December 28, 2008 Pretty much everything by Primus had unusual solos. So did Soundgarden on the last 3 records. Might be the Indian influence. The Tool solos are nice, but they are always about the annoying quasi-unisonos. No wonder why he doesn't solo more. I don't see why to exclude Belew. He also made lot of popish things, see Bowie-Talking Heads. I like the Under the Radar song from the recent album trilogy. Another candidate would be Reeves Gabrels. Pure genius of unusual guitar playing.
Members Barry_Blink_a_lot Posted December 29, 2008 Members Posted December 29, 2008 [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] This is the song Pull Out the Pin off Kate Bush's masterpiece The Dreaming. The guitar solos around 3.10 and 4.10 are some of the weirdest lines in a pop song I've ever heard.
Members nwtsnma Posted December 29, 2008 Members Posted December 29, 2008 Is this a common usage in reference to guitar? This _is_ a guitar solo we're talking about... tremolo picking = picking back and forth on one string as fast as possible
Members Reverend Cheese Posted December 30, 2008 Author Members Posted December 30, 2008 I don't see why to exclude Belew First, it's not just Belew, second, I'm trying to eliminate solos that fall outside the bounds of recognizing chord changes and diatonic harmony. I'm looking for solos that dance on the very edge of the harmonic environment while still staying with bounds and having harmonic content. I LOVE Belew, but out of all his solo albums and King Crimson material I can't think of anything he did that really stretched the bounds of diatonic harmony without breaking it. His work with the Bears was very diatonic, but but was too straight. Another great example of the kind of solos I'm describing: Dave Gregory on "That Wave" by XTC. The first time I heard that, it was a real 'ear stretcher' and really kinda' floored me. It was 'outside' while still being 'inside' if that makes any sense. Now I'm going to take Barrys' suggestion and go pull out my wife's copy of that Kate Bush CD and see what I can hear (haha!)
Members pinkzep52 Posted December 30, 2008 Members Posted December 30, 2008 First, it's not just Belew, second, I'm trying to eliminate solos that fall outside the bounds of recognizing chord changes and diatonic harmony.I'm looking for solos that dance on the very edge of the harmonic environmentwhile still staying with bounds and having harmonic content. I LOVE Belew, but out of all his solo albums and King Crimson material I can't think of anything he did that really stretched the bounds of diatonic harmony without breaking it. His work with the Bears was very diatonic, but but was too straight.Another great example of the kind of solos I'm describing: Dave Gregory on "That Wave" by XTC. The first time I heard that, it was a real 'ear stretcher' and really kinda' floored me. It was 'outside' while still being 'inside'if that makes any sense.Now I'm going to take Barrys' suggestion and go pull out my wife's copy of that Kate Bush CD and see what I can hear (haha!) Well what about Robert Fripp from KC? I'd say his parts in The Sheltering Sky, Frakctured, and Oyster Soup for example are quite unusual but not really random like Belew's solos.
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