Members El Caballo Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by UnkleSlam Just out of curiosity, who do you work for? You should ask "Who works for you?" instead Seriously: we don't want to say anything until we're closer to production. No one wants to see hype for something that's too many months away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheDarxide Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by MrSage The dano minis are actually really good pedals...they just use plastic cases and surface-mount components (which makes it hard to mod/re-house them). But the circuits themselves are all solid...based on classics and proven designs. Maybe this will encourage Danelectro to start using cases and switches that are a bit sturdier. +1 yeah, they're cool. leave 'em alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 oh {censored}. wild... that wah, is it metal? oh double {censored}, theres a distortion MODELER!!! HERE!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 man, a tech 21 pedal knock off for $40...oh hell!!!!!man, i envy young players ssssssssooooooooooo {censored}IN much. they can get some good tones cheap for their first rigs, then again, so can I!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 man, i can imagine how big this is going to be. I mean, with all those young students in japan with cheap guitars posing and having crap concerts, these will go over so freaking large. I already want a tech 21 knockoff and one of those eqs. man, the forums going to be all abuzz the day they hit. oh hell, behringers gonna be huge-r. everyone will have one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 i think they need to do a multidelay processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imai_h Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 is it legal for behringer.... to just rippoff boss products like that??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GrantsV5 Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 This is the most exciting product announcement in years. I am buying about 10 of these pedals! ------------------------------------------------ Next year Behringer will be bringing out all valve Mesa Boogie Dual Recifier and Marshall TSL clones for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jebus0000 Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Here are a couple of ripoff examples beyond the well known Mackie, POD and now Boss ripoffs. This is all behringer does. _____________________________________They got sued for this one I think______________________________________Ashdown______________________________________I use these sennheiser headphones...I haven't compared them though.______________________________________I'm guessing on this last one..Genelec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by seifukusha oh {censored}. wild...that wah, is it metal?oh double {censored}, theres a distortion MODELER!!! HERE!!!!!!!!! I wonder if this is a digital or analog distortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members puretube Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by cmloeffler Good for the market? Good for us as consumers for the immediate future, yes. What I'm concerned about is innovation, though. ...Behringer has a knack for ripping innovators off and selling cheap because they have little R & D built into their products... sowhat happens if they actually need to start building their own? Will they still be cheap? Can they make new products as innovative as EHX? Does that make Behringer any less scummy? No. The Market will end up with 30 years old designs,in new shiney, chinese boxes... (CHINEY ?). After they tried to kill all, they`ll go down themselves... An innovative, cool designer will refuse to work for a company like that, I bet... Who wants the name "BOREINGER" on his designs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members puretube Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 anyone noticed, that the jacks of the B*ss clones are not screwed to the chassis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandofThievesâ„¢ Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Wouldn't it be funny if this is just Namm food? I'm sure this has put the skids on many dealer that were looking at Boss/Roland/etc lines to carry..Get a franchise with Behringer,then the product gets put on the shelf..So much for that initial order..It wouldn't be the first time..Remember the Rack Mount Fender "Rivera" from the 80's..The Ibanez Koa Tele with dual humbucker/trem setter,and push/push coil pots? Maybe 2 of each ever made.. I'm not saying that is what is happening.Just food for thought...It would not be funny.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BandofThievesâ„¢ Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by puretube The Market will end up with 30 years old designs,in new shiney, chinese boxes... (CHINEY ?).After they tried to kill all, they`ll go down themselves...An innovative, cool designer will refuse to work for a company like that, I bet...Who wants the name "BOREINGER" on his designs? Hell we might just end up with a USA,China Made in USA not to be confused with Made in U.S.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andreas Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by puretube anyone noticed, that the jacks of the B*ss clones are not screwed to the chassis? Yup, that's the way to save money on production - if you can machine-solder everything to the pcb (jacks, switches, pots and all), you've saved a fortune in assembly. But you will lose a lot of reliability that way - in a Boss pedal, all the "moving" parts (jacks, switch and pots) are mounted separately from the main pcb, which protects it from shock damage and stress cracks. The only external part that is soldered directly to the pcb is the adapter jack (and sure enough, that is the part I find to have the highest failure rate).The Behringer knock-offs will - to make room for the jacks - most likely use miniature SMD components, and if so modding will be more or less out of the question. Add to that the fact that it will probably break (or at least sustain damage) the first time the band's singer accidentally steps on the input cable... (they always do, don't they? It's either the singer or some drunk guy who decides to "sit in" with the band... ) Still, Danelectro managed to sell a whole heap of cheaply made pedals, so who knows?However, I for one will not be touching any of these pedals, if they ever reach the market. Even if you set aside the ethics argument (Behringer's long history of ripping off other manufacturers), the quality (or lack thereof) will be more than enough to make me give these a wide berth... Btw, I spent the afternoon at the music shop, and when I showed them the Behringer pedals, the first three words they all uttered was the thread title - word for word... /Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Squier Fat Telecaster Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 If Behringer were smart they'd clone all the boutique stuff. Get your Fuzz Factory clone for $50 Get your Way Huge LLama for $40 Get your Bixonic Expandora for $25 I may have to get the behringer big muff and phaser clones... I know that there's Rockson that makes Boss look-a-likes. The Tech21 clone looks cool too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BP90 Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=102816 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Squier Fat Telecaster Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 I wonder if Behringer is using 1/8" power jacks on the EHX clones??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cruachan Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Something smells bad here. List prices are going from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jchrist Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Ethics???.... my ass.....! We're all using ripoff products, one way or another. I'm old enough to remember the first japanese cars in Europe - Ford ripoffs. Look at Korean cars today (I drive one) - ripoffs. Watch out for the next step, Chinese cars - first ones I've seen were Honda ripoffs. I can't see much innovation in the American car industry - can you? How many different copies of the Les Paul and Stratocaster exists? Does it make it hard for Gibson and Fender to exist? How many of you are playing chinese Agile or SX copies? Ripoffs? Yes! How about your TV? If it's plasma, is it a Pioneer? (the main manufacturer of plasma cell screens). What about all other brands? Ripoffs? Is it possible to mod or repair a TV set today? No, it's not, it's all SMD! We throw it away and buys a new one. How about CD players - almost every brand is using a design based om Burr-Brown converters - ripoffs? Differences in quality between a lowend and a highend product? Oh yeah! Most electronics today are ripoffs, caused by consumer demand for low prices. That leads to low cost production. That's the world today - get over it! If this was an ideal world, we would all be driving a Lamborghini, using a german dishwasher from Miele, using a tape recorder from Nakamichi (originally a Tandberg ripoff, but that's a completely different story), tools from Bacho, aso.......... If you don't like the products, then don't buy it - we're living in a free world. Btw... I do not work for Behringer, and my only piece of Behringer equipment is a cable tester (works nicely). Btw #2... I still don't understand why a Boss pedal power supply (9V/200 mA) costs 27 Euros, when I can buy an equal product from Ibanez for 15 Euros. Who's been cheated? Boss/Roland or you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted January 21, 2005 Members Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by autopilot i want to preorder the multiefx. it find that it is a great idea, i just wish it had reverb. Yeah, that's a multi-effect I would be interested in. All in one little pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skarhead Posted January 22, 2005 Members Share Posted January 22, 2005 i don't know if anyone noticed BTR-2000... guess what, it's a rack tuner + red racklight ... reminds me on something ;d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imai_h Posted January 22, 2005 Members Share Posted January 22, 2005 behringer just wants more money.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jon Hiller Posted January 22, 2005 Members Share Posted January 22, 2005 Originally posted by Jebus0000 [bI think he left out the part about paying 5 cents a day to some poor chinese kids to make the crap. True, but in all fairness to Behringer, Mackie's stuff is all made in China now and their stuff costs more than twice Behringer's, and honestly, in my experience as a dealer, the Mackie stuff isn't any better than the Behringer anymore. At one time it was a LOT better, but in my opinion, the Mackie stuff isn't made as well as it used to be. There was a comment made earlier in the thread about using a Behringer mixer in live sound and how the poster didn't think much of it and how you had to pan things way out of whack. I would have to take exception to that statement. I've sold a pretty good number of Behringer mixers in the last couple years and I've had nothing but good comments on them from customers, and not a single one has come back in for service. I think the idea of lesser expensive pedals from Behringer is awesome. I can see selling a pile of these........ a large, large pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members superpoo Posted January 22, 2005 Members Share Posted January 22, 2005 Originally posted by imai_h behringer just wants more money.... no {censored}? last time i checked, that was the whole point of a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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