Members Awake77 Posted July 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 would have to agree with ChipCurtis here. DCOs are analog oscillators clocked by a digital source. That's what I thought, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Actually ChipCurtis, I'm not taking an opposing side, or any side. I simply didn't know and was asking a few probing questions. Does this mean that modern DCO synths like the Evolvers don't have free running oscillators? When I say you can hear it when oscillators aren't free-running, if you set two the same there's that tell-tale spit in the attack transient because both oscillators are starting from the same position, and timbrally each note is the same whereas if the oscillators are free-running there's some difference from note to note as each oscillator is in a different position to the other duty-cycle wise. Here's what Ikutaro Kakshashi said about the DCOs in a Juno, which I don't understand completely so maybe one of you guys can elaborate: 'In a Juno, we used a programmable divider, chip number 8253. In other words, we gave it some values and this programmable divider created a diserable frequency, so it was a kind of oscillator. Today people never think of such a technique as being different from analog. We didn't use an analog to digital converter because they were very expensive." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFoosa Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Awake, check your PM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted July 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Got it! Check yours:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFoosa Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted July 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Your mailbox is full!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFoosa Posted July 13, 2006 Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Gmail just told me. Crisis averted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted July 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 13, 2006 Were you able to get the PM or do I have to resend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Henway_piano Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 Any Andy's a good andy.... red or blue;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFoosa Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 Originally posted by Awake77 Were you able to get the PM or do I have to resend? No PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChipCurtis Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 mrcpro, You made some good points here, and I don't want us to continue to "hi-jack" a thread about the Andromeda to continue this discussion. Since DCOs are a pretty complicated and confusing subject, I would like to start a new thread about it, with a pointer to the Wikipedia definition and the various types of DCOs in existence. Then we can perhaps continue to debate this a little, if you so desire. As soon as I make the new thread, I'll edit this post and place a pointer to it. EDIT: Here is the new thread: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1308282 Now everybody else, continue talking about the A6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 It has knobs, allegedly. At least mine does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Bryce Posted July 14, 2006 Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 Originally posted by J3RK I would have to agree with ChipCurtis here. DCOs are analog oscillators clocked by a digital source. dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted July 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2006 Now everybody else, continue talking about the A6! MMmmmmm, yes. The A6:) I must have one:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted July 15, 2006 Members Share Posted July 15, 2006 Alright here's a question for you Andy users. Why does the Andy sound more mechanical than older analogs. I listen to some of sounds like from wohmart's page and the Andy just seems to have a digital sheen to it, that is, when the Andy isn't trying to sound like Roland liquid wet bass type stuff (SH), because it can get drippy. I sometimes like the sheen and sometimes don't. But overall there are a lot of digital and mechanical aspects to the sound. It can do funky as in TB303 kind of way but not like a JP 6 kind of way. To me it doesn't get human organic sounds, like older polys, it gets more spacey organic sounds. I also wish it could do more 'Vowel' like pads. Like someone (preferably a female) singing in the distant, the vowel 'a' ( uh or awe) and sustaining it. Oh yeah, and I don't mean vowel choir pads, not looking for choir, more like saturated/reverberated maybe in unison or a doubled fashion ( coming from 1 person) vowel pads. Boy that was hard to get out. I don't want put down the Andy because it's a fantastic synth, but I'm a little disappointed not to hear funkier more organic filter tweaks and also more Vowel like pads. I'd like to add that I think the JD/JV pads can sound warmer sometimes. Although I haven't heard vowel like pads from them either. I was thinking of possibly getting an Andy ( if I do let's me and you not go for one at the same time ok Awake ), but actually the JD/JV pads seems to fit the pad duties I was looking for. There seems to be a slight overlap in pads, but the Andy seems to be able to get more complex pads, while the JD's are possibly warmer/cleaner. I actually like the Andy most for plucked type instruments oddly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted July 15, 2006 Members Share Posted July 15, 2006 Originally posted by stikygum I also wish it could do more 'Vowel' like pads. Like someone (preferably a female) singing in the distant, the vowel 'a' ( uh or awe) and sustaining it. Oh yeah, and I don't mean vowel choir pads, not looking for choir, more like saturated/reverberated maybe in unison or a doubled fashion ( coming from 1 person) vowel pads. Boy that was hard to get out. Best results for me with this sound is to use a single pulse wave and a bandpass filter (set to 12 db if you can) with no envelope. Adjusting pulse width, cutoff, and resonance yields all kinds of different one voice analog vowel sounds. Best synth I've ever had for this is my Maxi-Korg, because on it you can adjust the width of the bandpass. It just kills on these sounds. JP-6 is another good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFoosa Posted July 15, 2006 Members Share Posted July 15, 2006 Awake, my inbox is still hollow inside. The same as I feel, knowing that you don't love me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Bryce Posted July 15, 2006 Members Share Posted July 15, 2006 Originally posted by TheFoosa Awake, my inbox is still hollow inside. Too much information... dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted July 16, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 Rats!! Just got outbid on a fine A6 by $50:) Oh well, can't exceed my limit...(goes back to lurking) Foosa - dont worry my man Ill get back to you soon. The JD800's not going anywhere at the moment so dont worry:) Been on vacation so my time on the PC is limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted July 16, 2006 Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 Well, if you like the red edition, you still got a chance. Any Andy users have any comments on my thoughts 4 posts back? I really feel the Andy sounds sheeny and mechanical (that might be because of the sequencer) as opposed to fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted July 16, 2006 Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 Mine sounds like a gurgling g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted July 16, 2006 Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 That spits out shards of glass? The gut of a robot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted July 16, 2006 Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 Mustard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFoosa Posted July 16, 2006 Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 Originally posted by Awake77 Rats!! Just got outbid on a fine A6 by $50:) Oh well, can't exceed my limit...(goes back to lurking) Foosa - dont worry my man Ill get back to you soon. The JD800's not going anywhere at the moment so dont worry:) Been on vacation so my time on the PC is limited. Get off the computer and enjoy your vacation then! I just wanted to make sure it hadn't been sold yet and I missed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Bryce Posted July 16, 2006 Members Share Posted July 16, 2006 Originally posted by pighood Mustard. Brown or yellow? dB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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