Members bt2513 Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 I was playing around with my vintage FL-9 today and I realized that when I cut out the delay time and regeneration to zero it does a GREAT chorus. I guess that's all that flange is -- chorus with a delay on the modulation. Its funny that I never really appreciated this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members forumbot#1992 Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 i use my tzf for chorus sometimes, and also variation of some phaser sounds. Cool versatility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members freeridstylee Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yea i like flange much better then chorus for "chorus sounds" whatever that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seth Carmody Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 Andy Summer's chorus tone is rumored to be an EHX Electric Mistress. (though in the Synchronicity DVD the camera pans past his board right at the beginning of De Do Do Do and a Boss CE-3 is clearly visible.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LWatford-2 Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 I like to use a Dynacomp and Electric Mistress and pretend I'm Andy Summers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bt2513 Posted July 8, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 That sounds cool. Coincidentally, I've got a vintage CP9 compressor that I'll have to try for the Police tone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yeah, a flanger is basically a chorus with a feedback loop of sorts- the regeneration control is pretty much the same as the "repeats" control on a delay. The delay coupled with the modulation is what gets you the sound you hear from both flangers and choruses- more delay, and more regeneration results in more pronounced "swirl", just like you'd get more extreme sounds from a delay set that way, so basically a flanger is like a chorus on steroids I use my DOD FX75C that way a lot- I don't have much use for ring modulator-y or "playing in a metal pipe" sounds in my music, and I don't much like jet plane flanger sounds, and even if I did, I can't get them out of my flanger. It's best suited to Police-type sounds and does a pretty convincing "Electric Ladyland". I don't, but that's another problem altogether... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paperhouse Posted July 8, 2007 Members Share Posted July 8, 2007 they're the same basic principle, but with a few tweaks. flangers generally have a delay time ~10 ms and choruses generally have a delay time around ~30 ms. choruses generally have no regeneration. there are no real rules, but that's how most of them work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 18, 2008 Members Share Posted January 18, 2008 I was playing around with my vintage FL-9 today and I realized that when I cut out the delay time and regeneration to zero it does a GREAT chorus. I guess that's all that flange is -- chorus with a delay on the modulation. Its funny that I never really appreciated this before.I should try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I really should try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members darryl2112 Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I use my old BF-2 as a chorus, in fact, I can't really seem to get anything but a chorus sound out of it,at the most, I can get it to sound like a slightly flanged chorus. I also use an analog man bi-chorus(small stone x's 2) as a flange. I use my electric mistress as a phaser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukeswall Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I use my arion sfl-2 like that. it can be a chorus with some color thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DADGADammit Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 been doing this for a while now. sounds great don't it? when i figured this out it killed all gas for a chorus pedal. my 70's mxr117 takes care of 2 needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Boron Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 they're the same basic principle, but with a few tweaks. flangers generally have a delay time ~10 ms and choruses generally have a delay time around ~30 ms. choruses generally have no regeneration. there are no real rules, but that's how most of them work.Damn straight - I can't believe it took me so long to realise this.I have 2 notable exceptions to the rule - the Yamaha FL-01 flanger and the EHX polychorus. Both I use for chorus and wild self oscillation as they both have very aggressive feedback loops and offer more delay time than your average chorus OR flange.Whoop whoop!Hence of course why in a pedal like the DMM and the echo park you can make flange, chorus and modulated delay sounds - sweep that delay time with an LFO and mix in in with the clean and away you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mlabbee Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yep - they're all prettymuch the same thing with different levels of tweakability. I fist discvered this when I had an old Ibanez DM1100 rack mount delay - I could never figure out what the modulation knobs did (they sounded awful on long delays). Then I remembered there were some notes stenciled on teh top of the thing, so I pulled it out of my rack and saw that it had recommended settings for flanger and chorus . . . who knew?! Sounded great (until I got sick of racks and sold it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 anyone used the TC Electronic SCF Stereo Chorus/Flanger pedal, for modulated delayed pitchshifting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I use my electric mistress as a phaser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcinku Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yes, I'm using my old Yamaha fl10m flanger as a chorus as well.I almost sold it, to buy a proper chorus but I couldn't do it..It sounds a little different compared to an average chorus but the sound is good, so I'm keeping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bowlingshirt Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I can get a decent chorus sound out of my deluxe electric mistress just by turning the color knob all the way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FedExPope Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I use my dano flanger for chorus. i hate flangers though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uma Floresta Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yeah, flanger and chorus are closely related, as has already been explained. Longer delay times = chorus, shorter delay = flanger, generally speaking, and flanger adds feedback control. On the reissue DEM, the range control controls the delay time range on the LFO, but doesn't change the overall delay time. There's an internal trim pot that controls that, so I wired it up to an external potentiometer. Now at max delay (all the way counter clockwise), it gets a very detuned, thick chorus sound. At minimum delay (all the way clockwise), it's very "whoosh" - kind of light and airy flange. At about 1:00 it sounds you expect an Electric Mistress to sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 On the reissue DEM, the range control controls the delay time range on the LFO, but doesn't change the overall delay time. There's an internal trim pot that controls that, so I wired it up to an external potentiometer. Now at max delay (all the way counter clockwise), it gets a very detuned, thick chorus sound..... nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 I like these modulation toneshttp://www.netmusicians.org/files/29-rack%20tones.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 I like these modulation toneshttp://www.netmusicians.org/files/29-rack%20tones.mp3 What was used to achieve them? (I'm at work right now in the office so have to listen to it later on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Has anyone used the TC Electronic SCF Stereo Chorus/Flanger pedal, for modulated delayed pitchshifting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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