Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The sorta jazz I like is the more angular, difficult sounding and challenging stuff. Metheny's whole approach and touch on the instrument are as smooth as it gets. I'm not saying that his stuff is simplistic and it is at times great, but it too offer errs on the bland and over-compressed for me. His stuff has a very distinctive MOR feel to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tronus Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I got to play one yesterday for the first time at Guitar Center. I played it through both channels of a cranked Mesa Subway Rocket. It sounded GREAT but it was a Guitar Center guitar so the strings needed clean. The smell about made me nauseated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 fair enough; each to his own and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carrier street Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 The headstock ruins it. I agree with this. Their factory is in town. I will go pound on the door and relay HCFX's displeasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WAWBanks Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 . Do want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members One Man Banned Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Very nice. I'd rather a Gibson than the Edwards though.That's cool. Although, owning both, I can honestly say I'd sell the Gibson before I'd sell the Edwards. It just sounds great and I like the stock Seymour Duncan pickups in the Edwards better than the ones that came with the custom shop Gibson in that pic. If you end up deciding to pull the trigger on a 335 and you happen to get the opportunity to do a side by side comparison between the Edwards and the Gibson, do it before you make your final decision. It may be worth the time to make the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carrier street Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 That's cool. Although, owning both, I can honestly say I'd sell the Gibson before I'd sell the Edwards. It just sounds great and I like the stock Seymour Duncan pickups in the Edwards better than the ones that came with the custom shop Gibson in that pic. If you end up deciding to pull the trigger on a 335 and you happen to get the opportunity to do a side by side comparison between the Edwards and the Gibson, do it before you make your final decision. It may be worth the time to make the comparison. I'm not totally convinced that you haven't purchased a shipping container full of Edwards guitars as an investment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members companyman Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 His stuff is rather dull/smooth/bland (delete as applicable) though, especially with the PMG. listen to Song X.....he can hang with Ornette, 'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 OK, I will check that out. I knew he did some stuff with Coleman but never actually checked it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Wow, Jack DeJohnette and Charlie Haden play on it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SnorkelMonkey Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Yes, Song X is cool. Might appeal to someone of your persuasion somewhat more than the rest of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 It does. Do you like it? It's nothing remotely like the rest of his work. I wish he'd turn the damn chorus off though. His tone is still a bit weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members six acre lake Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Does Pat Metheny have chops galore? Yes. Does Pat Merheny use his monster chops to write and play insanely over processed and smooth, schmaltz tracks? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Lol. Some of his music is great, but some of it is definitely over-processed and over smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Yes, I do like it. The interplay is really cool. I wouldn't listen to it to relax (which is one of the main reasons that I listen to music these days), but it's great music... It's true that it's nothing like the rest of his work. Or most of it, anyway. There are a couple of tunes that the PMG did that are vaguely of that persuasion. Scrap Metal, which was a live piece, and Offramp, from the album of the same name. There are some improvised pieces on the PMG album 'Quartet', but they're somewhat more laid back than Song X. And as for his tone, I am inclined to agree. I assume it's the Roland/Greco guitar that he uses to control his GR300 Roland synth, and for all of his live solid-body guitar duties. I get the feeling that with that one he deliberately has it sound different to his hollow guitars, as he always uses the bridge pickup. With the exception of his distorted tones, I've always preferred the sounds that he's got with his hollow guitars. And the pitch-bend that provides the chorus effect, to be honest I don't mind it, but I do prefer it on his hollow guitars, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Does Pat Metheny have chops galore? Yes. Does Pat Merheny use his monster chops to write and play insanely over processed and smooth, schmaltz tracks? Yes. 'Processed and smooth' are terms that apply to smooth jazz no-nothings that write harmonically bland and uninteresting music and then play over it in an inept and uninspired way. Like Kenny G. Which Pat doesn't do. But if The Way Up is a 'processed and smooth schmaltz track', we should all give up and go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I can't deal with those bridges for some reason, don't like them on the Dot either. They're great guitars in the right hands though, truly a classic. I'll take this though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SharkMinusBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I can't deal with those bridges for some reason, don't like them on the Dot either. They're great guitars in the right hands though, truly a classic. I'll take this though That's a great example of Gibson pinching pennies. Why go through the trouble of wiring up controls through the F-hole when you can just drop a pre-built control assembly in there? I would much rather have a normal 70's 335 in that awesome walnut finish: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 That's a great example of Gibson pinching pennies. Why go through the trouble of wiring up controls through the F-hole when you can just drop a pre-built control assembly in there? I would much rather have a normal 70's 335 in that awesome walnut finish: This I could get on. I just can't stand those stop tail bridges I see on a lot of 335s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Never bothered me, although the ones with the control plate are cool in their own way. Not really the best period for Gibson though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 That's a great example of Gibson pinching pennies. Why go through the trouble of wiring up controls through the F-hole when you can just drop a pre-built control assembly in there? I would much rather have a normal 70's 335 in that awesome walnut finish: Yes, this. However, my favourite Gibson tailpiece is the trapeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 335s are awesome. I was gassing for one pretty hard last year. Peter pretty much has the perfect one.I really dig the newer 335s in that antique tea burst finish with the smal block inlays. Mmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 335s are awesome. I was gassing for one pretty hard last year. Peter pretty much has the perfect one. I really dig the newer 335s in that antique tea burst finish with the smal block inlays. Mmmm. THat finish is hawt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 335s are awesome. I was gassing for one pretty hard last year. Peter pretty much has the perfect one. I really dig the newer 335s in that antique tea burst finish with the smal block inlays. Mmmm. Yeah, this is super nice. Funny how the upcharge for blocks is several hundred dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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