Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 They just aren't as sexy as a 335 to me though. Justin, that's a really nice guitar. I'd be interested to see how it compared to a real (non-satin) Gibson 335. Shame it has that headstock too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Yes, I've never liked the Epi stock. That might be because the Gibson is just that good. I've been reading more and more recently of Epiphones, Ibanez Artcores and the like competing with Gibson. I'm not sure if that's because Epi/Ibanez are getting particularly good or the Gibsons are getting particularly bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SharkMinusBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Justin, that's a really nice guitar. I'd be interested to see how it compared to a real (non-satin) Gibson 335. Shame it has that headstock too. I played a handful of normal gloss 335's at my local shop and a few in NYC. Some were decent, but most sounded pretty dark and had muddy bass. The epi elite build quality is basically a small step below, it doesn't feel as solid and resonant compared to some of the gibsons. It does, however, play as good or better than the gibson's I tried. It sounds great, has a nice thick neck that is MUCH better than their sheraton line, and has a nice unplugged sound. For half the price of a Gibson Satin Dot, I think it's unbeatable.... but you have to find one used because they aren't made anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members companyman Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 They are the only thing that makes him interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 To be honest, I can only really pity you... That is, if you actually can't appreciate how superbly able the guy is on a guitar, how brilliant he is as a composer and musician, and how ridiculously innovative he is. He's done things that no other musician has done, and he steps over musical stylistic boundaries as if they aren't there, can happily contribute to most musical settings... And he does have a knack for attracting similarly brilliant musicians, hence his collaboration with Lyle Mays... He also has a knack for writing some excellent, smooth elevator music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I played a handful of normal gloss 335's at my local shop and a few in NYC. Some were decent, but most sounded pretty dark and had muddy bass. The epi elite build quality is basically a small step below, it doesn't feel as solid and resonant compared to some of the gibsons. It does, however, play as good or better than the gibson's I tried. It sounds great, has a nice thick neck that is MUCH better than their sheraton line, and has a nice unplugged sound. For half the price of a Gibson Satin Dot, I think it's unbeatable.... but you have to find one used because they aren't made anymore. Well, they are inherently a dark, mellow sounding guitar. I dunno about muddy. Finding a second hand Epi Elite here wouldn't be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drifter182 Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 ah, the one guitar I really want but would never feel comfortable dropping the coin for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Yeah, I'd be looking at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SnorkelMonkey Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Well, they are inherently a dark, mellow sounding guitar. I dunno about muddy. Finding a second hand Epi Elite here wouldn't be easy.People confuse the more recent models with muddy. Gibson uses 300k pots in just about all their guitars these days and the pups are nothing like the original PAF's that made a name for these guitars.Put a pair of original style PAF's (un-potted), and 500k pots to open this baby up! Cleans like a single coil, overdrives like well a humbucker. Great guitar for jazz, blues, rock, country, just about any style of music really. Loads of woody tones without the uncontrollable feedback. The perfect balance between hollowbody and solidbody. Possibly the perfect guitar? (are you gassing yet? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SharkMinusBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Price check on original PAF's... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jupp Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 What about Epi Dots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SnorkelMonkey Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Price check on original PAF's... lolTrue that! So I'd go clone... Duncan makes one that's identical to the originals, they'll even age them for you (forget the model). There's lots of others on that band wagon making them too. Great pups. Over at the Gretsch forum I did a side by side comparison of PAF's vs Filtertrons with 500k pots and they sounded very close (clean) if not identical with the exception of the PAF's having just a tad more bass. The filters were just a tad more open sounding but I felt that if I could put a larger value pot in the PAF's would have been able to do the same. But it really was nothing of a difference. Ran through a cranked amp there was some major differences. The PAF's had a very smooth overdrive with breakup occurring a little earlier than the filters. The filters had a more brittle overdrive by comparison.I wrote that because you hardly ever hear people compare Gibby HB's with the jangly cleans of Gretsch Filtertrons. People always talk about muddy and very mid oriented Gibby humbuckers. Gibson made so many different HB's and they've been using 300k pots for years. PAF's and 500k pots are a dream in a 335. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikethebike500 Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I bought my 347 new in 1990, was just under $1300 back then, out the door....some day I'd like to get a 335 in cherry red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members One Man Banned Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 It's killing me. My colleague brought his 335 into work yesterday and the GAS just went into overdrive. I got a couple of these when I was gassing for a 335. Unlike the 335's (which are nice...my buddy has one from the 70's that I compared these to), they have solid tops instead of laminated tops and get a little more vibration happening than the Gibson. Depending on how much feedback you like to use in your style, this can be a good or bad thing. I found I was able to get controlled feedback easier with the Edwards than I was the Gibson so it worked for me. I love mine and of course the price is right. I got this used for about $400 less than what I paid for two brand new Edwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members One Man Banned Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 need....another....sheraton..... i may actually grab a dot in natural and drop a pair of sd 59's in that bitch. that would be lovely and economical. Try a 59 in the neck and a SD Custom Plus or Custom 5 in the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Very nice. I'd rather a Gibson than the Edwards though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 He also has a knack for writing some excellent, smooth elevator music. I wouldn't agree. There isn't anything that he's written that isn't musically interesting. I define elevator music as being harmonically bland and uninspiredly played; if Metheny is elevator music, a lot of jazz is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Webinfront_ Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Yes, I've never liked the Epi stock. That might be because the Gibson is just that good. I've been reading more and more recently of Epiphones, Ibanez Artcores and the like competing with Gibson. I'm not sure if that's because Epi/Ibanez are getting particularly good or the Gibsons are getting particularly bad... I love my Artcore, plays fantastically. Its certainly not the be all end all of 335 knock offs, but for the money I don't think it can be beat. Stock pickups aren't bad either, I've kept them in for the 4 years I've had my AS73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 His stuff is rather dull/smooth/bland (delete as applicable) though, especially with the PMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SharkMinusBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 Have you looked at the Heritage 535? Take off the ugly pickguard and it's pretty close to a 335 if you can get over the headstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted October 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 The headstock ruins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 I love my Artcore, plays fantastically. Its certainly not the be all end all of 335 knock offs, but for the money I don't think it can be beat. Stock pickups aren't bad either, I've kept them in for the 4 years I've had my AS73.The Artcores look really great. My next guitar will probably be one. The full hollow AK100. Looks fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SharkMinusBear Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 The headstock ruins it. your mom ruins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted October 9, 2010 Members Share Posted October 9, 2010 His stuff is rather dull/smooth/bland (delete as applicable) though, especially with the PMG.I couldn't agree... The PMG goes as complex and ambitious as it goes 'mellow'. Pat's work with Lyle Mays is definitely the best of his work. About as 'smooth' as he's gone are his album with Charlie Haden and his first solo release, Secret Storey, neither of which are PMG.Edit: phone spellchecking fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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