Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/science-light-idUSL5E7KM4CW20110922 :eek: So if it's true, this could be The Singularity ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Could be. Delorean owners everywhere are {censored}ting bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well no, the Singularity is a prediction about the "future emergence of greater-than human intelligence through technological means." This is actual science, not science fiction. Einstein's theory of Special Relativity (E=MC^2) says that nothing can go faster than the speed of light because as you approach the speed of light, time slows down. If you hit the speed of light time would effectively stop for you but not for the rest of the universe. So if time stops you can't be travelling anywhere, therefore can't be travelling at the speed of light. Also, as you approach the speed of light your mass increases, so to get to 95% of the speed of light you would have to use up more energy accelerating than there is in the universe, and at the speed of light you would have infinite mass - which is clearly impossible. So the speed of light is effectively a speed limit. If this particle at cern has gone faster then one of two things has happened: one, Einstein was wrong (and since scientists have been finding more and more evidence that he's right for decades (we use Special Relativity every day in our sat navs, for instance) it's very unlikely, but not impossible that this is the case) so we're going to have to come up with a new theory that includes this new data and all the previous data (awesome), or two, the particles only appeared to be going faster than light and someone will have to figure out how and why (also awesome). Either way, Science works, bitchez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 I'm just ready to fire up the FTL drives, make the jump before the Cylons hit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 22, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well no, the Singularity is a prediction about the "future emergence of greater-than human intelligence through technological means." But, perhaps this breakthrough will lead to the technology that brings about The Singularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 that would suck to be this great genius for a while and then have your theory debunked after you die and all you're left with is hiroshima and nagasaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lolque? Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well no, the Singularity is a prediction about the "future emergence of greater-than human intelligence through technological means."This is actual science, not science fiction.Einstein's theory of Special Relativity (E=MC^2) says that nothing can go faster than the speed of light because as you approach the speed of light, time slows down. If you hit the speed of light time would effectively stop for you but not for the rest of the universe. So if time stops you can't be travelling anywhere, therefore can't be travelling at the speed of light.Also, as you approach the speed of light your mass increases, so to get to 95% of the speed of light you would have to use up more energy accelerating than there is in the universe, and at the speed of light you would have infinite mass - which is clearly impossible.So the speed of light is effectively a speed limit. If this particle at cern has gone faster then one of two things has happened: one, Einstein was wrong (and since scientists have been finding more and more evidence that he's right for decades (we use Special Relativity every day in our sat navs, for instance) it's very unlikely, but not impossible that this is the case) so we're going to have to come up with a new theory that includes this new data and all the previous data (awesome), or two, the particles only appeared to be going faster than light and someone will have to figure out how and why (also awesome).Either way, Science works, bitchez! E=mc^2(a relationship of mass to energy) does not say that nothing can go faster than light. I believe you are referring to the lorentz factor and time dialation. THAT is what shows the theory. When I'm not on my phone ill go more in depth. I will say though, who else remembers the {censored} show that was cold fusion? EE undergrad who gas taken way too many physics/quantum mechanics classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 that would suck to be this great genius for a while and then have your theory debunked after you die and all you're left with is hiroshima and nagasaki That's how science works, one dude is right (all the evidence backs him up) until another dude comes along with way more evidence for something else and then he gets to be right.But Einstein's Special Relativity has been gathering evidence that it's right for a long time, and this is one tiny piece of evidence that it's wrong. I think Mr Einstein can rest in peace for a while yet, and if not, then he get's to be the guy who did the preliminary work for an even greater genius. after all, we don't think any less of Newton because Einstein worked out he was wrong, he was also so right about a great many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 E=mc^2 does not say that nothing can go faster than light. I believe you are referring to the lorentz factor and time dialation. THAT is what shows the theory. When I'm not on my phone ill go more in depth. EE undergrad who gas taken way too many physics/quantum mechanics classes. I'll bow to your superior knowledge, i'm just a dude who's just discovered how fantastic science is (why didn't they tell me that in school?) who knows just enough to show how much he doesn't actually know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blakemore Effects Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Holy {censored}. If their findings are right, that's incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 But, perhaps this breakthrough will lead to the technology that brings about The Singularity. well it could be, but so could anything. When he talked about the singularity Kurtzweil was just making a prediction of the future - and we all know how often they turn out to be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 sometimes after i eat mexican i'm pretty sure particles are flying at or above the speed of light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 The day after i eat Indian food i'm pretty sure particles are flying at or above the speed of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Pretty level-headed article about it here, from an actual physicist.http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/09/22/faster-than-light-travel-discovered-slow-down-folks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BadAstronomyBlog+%28Bad+Astronomy%29&utm_content=Google+Reader (my bolding of the text) So the web is buzzing right now over news that scientists have detected some subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light.Yeah, well, not so fast. Let Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Operator Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 I'm super excited about this, and then I realized that non-scientists will think of a litany of brutal, horrifying uses for it that will have nothing to do with the advancement of the human race. They'll probably be like "sweet, now we can teleport bombs to people with different skin color and ideas about money than us" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Operator Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Pretty level-headed article about it here, from an actual physicist.http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/09/22/faster-than-light-travel-discovered-slow-down-folks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BadAstronomyBlog+%28Bad+Astronomy%29&utm_content=Google+Reader(my bolding of the text) The full article on it explains that the scientists who did this experiment is submitting the report for peer review in Japan and I think Germany and are not claiming anything until it's rigorously tested by the scientific community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mhuxtable Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 I call first dibs on the first Kessel Run on the Millinium Falcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 The full article on it explains that the scientists who did this experiment is submitting the report for peer review in Japan and I think Germany and are not claiming anything until it's rigorously tested by the scientific community. yeah, even the scientists making the claims are (rightly) skeptical of what their results say, they're so incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 I call first dibs on the first Kessel Run on the Millinium Falcon what the hell's an aluminum falcon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 {censored}ing cooooool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jisatsu Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well no, the Singularity is a prediction about the "future emergence of greater-than human intelligence through technological means."This is actual science, not science fiction.Einstein's theory of Special Relativity (E=MC^2) says that nothing can go faster than the speed of light because as you approach the speed of light, time slows down. If you hit the speed of light time would effectively stop for you but not for the rest of the universe. So if time stops you can't be travelling anywhere, therefore can't be travelling at the speed of light.Also, as you approach the speed of light your mass increases, so to get to 95% of the speed of light you would have to use up more energy accelerating than there is in the universe, and at the speed of light you would have infinite mass - which is clearly impossible.So the speed of light is effectively a speed limit. If this particle at cern has gone faster then one of two things has happened: one, Einstein was wrong (and since scientists have been finding more and more evidence that he's right for decades (we use Special Relativity every day in our sat navs, for instance) it's very unlikely, but not impossible that this is the case) so we're going to have to come up with a new theory that includes this new data and all the previous data (awesome), or two, the particles only appeared to be going faster than light and someone will have to figure out how and why (also awesome).Either way, Science works, bitchez! Good post, but theoretically you can have particles travel faster than light in vacuum (this is for you vacuum tube nerds out there). Theoretically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BmoreTele Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Question from a non-scientist - how could they tell that the neutrinos that arrived at Gran Sasso were the ones that were sent from CERN? According to the Great Wiki "Every second, in the region of the Earth, about 65 billion (6.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 Question from a non-scientist - how could they tell that the neutrinos that arrived at Gran Sasso were the ones that were sent from CERN? According to the Great Wiki "Every second, in the region of the Earth, about 65 billion (6.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aedes Posted September 22, 2011 Members Share Posted September 22, 2011 that is really cool. but they probably just put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. they always mess up some mundane detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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