Members Zappa74 Posted November 27, 2005 Members Share Posted November 27, 2005 Originally posted by snakum Stonehenge clips using my backup amp below. The tone is noticably very smooth and sweet-sounding. The playing and recording .... not so much. Stonehenge Clean Stonehenge Crunchy Stonehenge Hi-gain Thanks again Boogs. Minh I know I'm a bit late replying to these, but I just checked them out and the clips sounded very nice. Thanks alot for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar-fish Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 Thinking of getting a Valve King 112. It's a toss up - $399 for the all tube VK, or $329 for the hybrid/tube/modeler Vox AD50VT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VanR Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 Originally posted by guitar-fish Thinking of getting a Valve King 112. It's a toss up - $399 for the all tube VK, or $329 for the hybrid/tube/modeler Vox AD50VT. Get the Valveking. I did own an AD50VT and it seemed to turn to mush and get lost in the mix at band rehearsal. I took it back. BTW I have decided that the stock speaker sounds best of the several speakers I have put in the Valveking. I put a Chinese 12AX7 in V1 but the rest of the tubes sound best stock. I didn't seem to like the JJ 6L6's in this amp, but I may try them again now that I have the stock speaker back in there.V1 sounds good with Chinese and the rest stock. Changing the tubes and speaker back to stock, except for the Chinese 9th Gen in V1, solved the bassy sounding mess I was asking about earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 Originally posted by guitarchaz For what its worth, I've tried a both a Celestion VIN30 and G12T-75 and like the stock speaker better. The G12T and VIN30 both had tighter bass which I liked, but they had a high end "sizzle" (the VIN30 moreso) when using the OD channel that I didn't care for. Kinda like that raspy vintage sound...akin to the the Guitar intro on Elton John's Saturday Night...perhaps good depending on what you are after. I was after more of an AC/DC, Jet, kinda crunch. Anyone tried any ofthe Emi speakes that would suit my needs based on this info ? i've got a governer in my valve king...compared to the stock speaker it's clearer, and has a tighter low end...still has that thick midrange the stock speaker does tho, and the warm high end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VanR Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 Originally posted by cobrahead1030 i've got a governer in my valve king...compared to the stock speaker it's clearer, and has a tighter low end...still has that thick midrange the stock speaker does tho, and the warm high end I like the stock speaker pretty good, but there is a harshness in there somewhere I don't like. Maybe it will smooth out after I get a few hours on it.I tried a $20 Carvin speaker in the Valveking and it was awful. I think these speakers don't like open back cabs at all. Totally 2 dimensional sound with no mids or treble at all. Although a pair of the Carvins in my Peavey vertical 2-12"closed back cabinet sound awesome when driven by the Valveking. It's gonna be tough to decide which way to run the Valveking now. Stock or through the 2-12 cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar-fish Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 Originally posted by VanR I put a Chinese 12AX7 in V1 but the rest of the tubes sound best stock. V1 sounds good with Chinese and the rest stock. Yeah but the problem is an hour after you play it you're hungry agan. Sorry, couldn't resist. Someone was gonna say it, so I had to be first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cmfguitar Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 Has anyone compared the Valve King 112 to the Ultra 112 or the XXX 112? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blinz Posted November 29, 2005 Members Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'd like to hear opinions on a comparison between these and an Ultra 112 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snakum Posted December 2, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 2, 2005 I've never owned an Ultra but I've played a couple combos, at length, and the Valve King definitely has that kind of vibe in the gain channel. It's more 'Marshall' than the Classic 30's 'Cranked Blackface' in my opinion, and there's a huge amount of gain on tap, just as on the Ultra 112 and 212. I think the clean is a little bit better than I remember the Ultra being, but the Ultra may be a bit 'tighter' at higher gain settings. They're definitely close, though.All that said ... I think I'm going to have to sell my Valve King. An opportunity has arisen that will provide the perfect platform for that Weber Blue Dog I bought from OneWhiteDuck yesterday, and I'm out of play money for the month. Anyone in or near North Carolina wanna buy a month old Valve King with the oh-so-hard-to-find VK footswitch? Minh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar-fish Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 Guys, what's the Peavey VK like at lower volumes? Am I going to be able to be able to get some nice tube sounds at bedroom volumes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thomasmiranda Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 OK guys now I don't know what to do:confused: I had my heart set on a Classic 30 and found a new one for $400 and tried it and really liked it but now everyone is raving about the VK. How about the all important FEEL of the amp? Which one is more responsive? Which one will give a better tube FEEL? I know this is a tough/dumb question but I really dont know what to do now besides find a PV dealer and try them both. But I guess if you were me what would you do? Same price on both amps I really want a REAL tube amp, not a wannabe tube amp. What do you guys think is the better value? I play classic rock like AC/DC, Led Zepp, G n' R, Van Halen, etc... you get the point. Also some Satch and maybe a little Ozzy. Im still leaning towards the C30 because they are proven and American Made but it looks like the VK is much more versatile but I don't want to sacrifice pure dynamic tone in any way for versatility. (been down that road too many times - see Boss GT-6:mad: and Flextone II ) thanks guys any input would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thomasmiranda Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 Originally posted by thomasmiranda I play classic rock like AC/DC, Led Zepp, G n' R, Van Halen, etc... you get the point. Also some Satch and maybe a little Ozzy. I'm Willing to sacrifice the metal tone for good all around tone as I realize that the C30 probably isnt the best amp for metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snakum Posted December 4, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 I have both amps and for "Classic Rock" and "Satch" I'd say the Classic 30 is the ticket. But if you want to play heavier music that starts moving towards metal, or even early Van Halen (cranked NMV Marshal) ... go Valve King.They are quite different amps, tone-wise, and suited for different things. But both are excellent.I guess I'm saying "I have absolutely no idea which you should get". Sorry. Minh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Whackmaster63 Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 Here a hard rock clip i made with the vavle king http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=18271 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thomasmiranda Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 Originally posted by snakum I have both amps and for "Classic Rock" and "Satch" I'd say the Classic 30 is the ticket. But if you want to play heavier music that starts moving towards metal, or even early Van Halen (cranked NMV Marshal) ... go Valve King. They are quite different amps, tone-wise, and suited for different things. But both are excellent. I guess I'm saying "I have absolutely no idea which you should get". Sorry. Minh LOLThanks for the response though, So it really does satch better than the VK, if so I think it would be a no-brainer for me. How about AC/DC crunch?Is it safe to say the C30 has more of a vintage sound (classic;) ) and the VK is more modern?And what about the feel? If you know what I'm trying to say, which one FEELS better, ie more responsive?Ive heard that the VK is a more buzzy sounding distortion and the C30 is smother, what do you think?who has a better clean or are they pretty similar in that respect?thanks again, just dont want to make another purchase Im gonna regret a year from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thomasmiranda Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 Originally posted by Whackmaster63 Here a hard rock clip i made with the vavle king http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=18271 WOW:thu: Im gonna go out on a limb here and say I probly wont be able to get that kind of badass gain from a C30:) Maybe with a pedal of some sort?what do you guys think(you guys suck, I was gonna just go get the C30 and asume that the VK was a pile and then you all had to go and rave about it and post all these awesome clips and make my decision very difficult)Oh well I guess Ill just have to try out a VK now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thomasmiranda Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 BTW Whackmaster63 was that clip of a stock VK or did you change the speaker or anything? Any pedals of any kind or just straight in and miced up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Whackmaster63 Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 No it was stock i just used a 57 into my vs880 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thomasmiranda Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted December 4, 2005 Members Share Posted December 4, 2005 Originally posted by Whackmaster63 Here a hard rock clip i made with the vavle king http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=18271 very nice, a bit dark sounding but some killer screaming tone going on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar-fish Posted December 5, 2005 Members Share Posted December 5, 2005 When I click on Whackmaster63's link, I just get the home page, and not the specific clip. Wazzup? I wanna hear it. What am I doing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VanR Posted December 5, 2005 Members Share Posted December 5, 2005 Got to play my Valveking at rehearsal today through my buddies Mesa Boogie 2-12" cabinet with 2 Vintage 30's. Sounded damn good, but for some kind of midrange honk that was just a little annoying. I was wondering how a Vintage 30 would sound in the open back Valveking. Are they good open back combo speakers or should I look elsewhere for a replacement speaker? My favorite Celestion has always been a G12T-75. How do these sound in an open backed combo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snakum Posted December 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 5, 2005 I never really liked the Vintage 30s in the C30 or C50. I always put Cele G12Ms or Emi GB12s/Private Jacks in them. I did have a G12H in a C50 though and I seem to remember that was killer, too. I haven't tried one in a Classic 30 though.For the Valve King, I didn't think the G12M/GB12/PJ did a whole helluvalot for it over the stock speaker (which is pretty decent). Maybe the V30 or G12H would be a better choice for it? But if the V30 honked in the Mesa cab with the VK, it may HONK in the combo, too. If I could have tried any speaker in mine, it would have been the Emi Wizard and the Weber Blue Dog. But I just sold mine so I won't get a chance to try them. Went back to Classic 30s cuz I prefer a cranked Fendery tone over the VK's Marshally vibe. Minh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VanR Posted December 5, 2005 Members Share Posted December 5, 2005 But the G12H is only 30 watts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snakum Posted December 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 5, 2005 I honestly believe it would be safe the Valve King, since it is conservatively rated. The Valve King isn't a very powerfull 50 watter, either. Sweet ... but not very loud next to a Classic 30. I was going to put a 30 watt Blue Dog in mine, and I felt comfortable about it even though it's a $100 worth of speaker. Minh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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