Members guitarist17 Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Could my tubes be going? im using almost the exact same settings and his seems to sound alot better than mine. Hes using SED 6l6GC's, and the tung sol 12ax7's(brand new). I have mesa tubes all around. His seems to be alot louder to. now usually, when i think of power tube issues, i think of a HUGE loss of volume, and muddy crappy tone. the tone seems to be muddier, but isnt much quieter, his head his louder for sure, but its not a huge difference. what could be the problem? the amp doesnt make alot of crackles, or random noises. thanks. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 17 Tubes Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Volume is in the pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarist17 Posted May 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by 17 Tubes Volume is in the pants. yours or mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sbrett Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Is he using the same kind of cabinet that you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alchemist Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by 17 Tubes Volume is in the pants. Yes! My theory is catching on:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarist17 Posted May 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by sbrett Is he using the same kind of cabinet that you are? nope, his cabs are alot worse. hes using a peavey ms cab. ive heard his through mine and it still sounds alot better. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alchemist Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by guitarist17 nope, his cabs are alot worse. hes using a peavey ms cab. ive heard his through mine and it still sounds alot better.chris Is his biased differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucius Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by guitarist17 nope, his cabs are alot worse. hes using a peavey ms cab. ive heard his through mine and it still sounds alot better.chris You mean his amp through your cab? Or your amp through his cab? Cheers Lucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 what about guitars and pickups ? pedals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarist17 Posted May 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by Lucius You mean his amp through your cab? Or your amp through his cab? Cheers Lucius both. and no pedals, other than maybe a wah at times. i was A/B'ing straight into the amps. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Are the amps in the same area of the room? You'd be suprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarist17 Posted May 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by squealie Are the amps in the same area of the room?You'd be suprised. side by side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucius Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by guitarist17 side by side Which one was on the left side? Its proven the 9/10 listeners prefer the left side over the right side. Alright, I got nothing. Good luck. Cheers Lucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarist17 Posted May 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by Lucius Which one was on the left side? Its proven the 9/10 listeners prefer the left side over the right side. Alright, I got nothing. Good luck. Cheers Lucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ratter Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Swap your tubes for his...that should answer that question. If it's same cab, same guitar, etc., then I'd start with preamp tubes. Then power tubes if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gainfreak Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 More then likely the tubes. Since you have both amps in the same room, set up the amps up with exact settings and listen to his amp, unplug it and then plug your amp into his cab/s with the same setting. If you hear a huge difference it is more then likely the tubes. next step is to ask him if you can take his tubes out and put it in your amp(both pre and power). if that fixes the problem you are done. If not... His amp just sounds better. I'm not kidding.. this could happen even with the Mark series amps. Now make sure you have the same setting. A friend of mine was told me that he set up his amp exactly like mine and he didnt. he had his on class "A" full power and mine was pentode half power. makes a difference. best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlb32 Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Try some JJ 6L6's. The JJ's seem to love the Mark IV's. I know that they sound great in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOOGIE666 Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 SED EL-34's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFW Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 what you are describing is the beginnings of tube failure. The other thing to keep in mind. There are two different versions of the Mark IV. The older version (90-93) and the newer version(93-current). The newer version has more balls. The easiest way to tell is to look on the back of the amp. If you have the "Satalite" send, then it's the newer version. If you have two sets of FX loop send and returns than it is the older version. On the older versions you had to tell the amp wich set of Send/Return connections you were going to use. Now it's a send and a set of stereo returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by gainfreak A friend of mine was told me that he set up his amp exactly like mine and he didnt. he had his on class "A" full power and mine was pentode half power. makes a difference. best of luck. Is it even possible to have class "A" full power? I thought that by having the switch set to class A in the back, it dropped the 2 outer power tubes to half power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFW Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by Shiny_Surface Is it even possible to have class "A" full power? I thought that by having the switch set to class A in the back, it dropped the 2 outer power tubes to half power. Full power verses Tweed. And yes, even if you drop the two tubes you can run the full power to them. If you run it in tweed, it cuts the voltage and wattage down some more. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 You should bought my Plexi instead of the mesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gainfreak Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by Shiny_Surface Is it even possible to have class "A" full power? I thought that by having the switch set to class A in the back, it dropped the 2 outer power tubes to half power. yes! I think SFW beat me to this ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pretaanluxis Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by gainfreak If not... His amp just sounds better. I'm not kidding.. this could happen even with the Mark series amps. I've seen Dual Rectifiers vary in sound even with the same setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted May 25, 2006 Members Share Posted May 25, 2006 Originally posted by SFW Full power verses Tweed. And yes, even if you drop the two tubes you can run the full power to them. If you run it in tweed, it cuts the voltage and wattage down some more. Make sense? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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