Members draelyc Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fabnaq.html"Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions":1. Is there any reason to believe in your theory rather than some other version of creationism? 1a. If you believe that some animals -- for example, dinosaurs -- were not saved on the Ark, explain why you believe the Bible is incorrect. 1b. Why are many Christians evolutionists? 1c. If you are a young-earth creationist: Why are many creationists old-earth creationists? 1d. If you are a young-life creationist: Why are many creationists old-life creationists? 1e. Some people say that scientific creationism does a disservice to Christianity by holding Christianity up to ridicule. How would you answer that charge? 2. Is there any observation which supports any feature of your theory? (An adequate answer to this question will not be something which is a problem for evolution, but is rather evidence for your theory. Remember that it is logically possible for both evolution and your theory to be false. Something which appears to support Lamarkian evolution rather than Darwinian, or punctuated equilibrium rather than gradualism is not enough. Also, the observation must be something which can be checked by an independent observer.) 2a. Is there any observation which was predicted by your theory? 3. Is there any comprehensive and consistent statement of your theory? (The suggestion that major points are still under investigation will only be accepted for theories that are relatively recent. Any exposition which cannot be distinguished from solipsism or nihilism will not be accepted.) 3a. Is there any statement of the scientific (or other) rules of evidence which you accept? (If your answer is that some document is your guide, explain the rules for interpreting the document, and your rules for determining which document is your guide.) 4. Why is there the remarkable coherence among many different dating methods -- for example: radioactivity, tree rings, ice cores, corals, supernovas -- from astronomy, biology, physics, geology, chemistry and archeology? (This is not answered by saying that there is no proof of uniformity of radioactive decay. The question is why all these different methods give the same answers.) 4a. Explain the distribution of plant and animal fossils. For example, the limited distribution of fossils of flowering plants. 5. Is there any feature of your theory which is subject to scientific test? This is often stated: is creationism scientific in the sense that it could be falsified? (After Karl Popper's criterion.) Another way of phrasing it is: is there any kind of observation which, if it were seen, would change your theory? 5a. Is there any observation which has changed your theory? 5b. Is your theory open to change, and if so, what criteria are there for accepting change? 6. Why is there the present distribution of animals and plants in the world? How is it that marsupials are restricted to Australia and nearby islands and the Americas, monotremes to Australia, and few placental mammals are native to Australia? Why are tomatoes and potatoes native to the Americas only? (This is not a question merely of how they could have arrived there, it is also of why only there.) 7. Is there a consistent reading of the Flood story of Genesis? How many of each kind of clean animal went on the Ark? Present a calendar of the events of the Flood from the birth of Noah through the birth of Arpachshad (sometimes called Arphaxad, grandson of Noah), paying special attention as to the day when Noah entered the Ark and how long the Flood lasted. If you change the text of Genesis, give a reason for the change other than the need to fit your beliefs. 7a. Why does the Flood story need to be consistent? 8. Where did all of the water come from and go to? (This is a very old problem for the Flood story, and it may be the most frequently asked. Quantitative answers are required.) 9. What did all of the carnivores eat after leaving the Ark? (This is not a question about what they ate on the Ark.) In other words, explain how the food chain worked before the present ratios of a few predators to many prey. 9a. Explain how the degree of genetic variation in contemporary animals resulted from the few on the Ark. 9b. Explain how a viable population was established for all of those animal kinds from only a single pair of each. 9c. Discuss how symbiotic animals and parasites survived immediately after the Flood. 10. Is it possible to fit the pairs (male and female) of all kinds of land animals and birds on the Ark? The answer must give a detailed calculation. Remember to include all invertebrates as well as vertebrates, food and water, and neccesary environmental controls. Remember to include all kinds of cattle. Explain the meaning of the word "kind". 10a. Calculate the structural soundness and stability of the Ark, both loaded and unloaded, on land and on the Flood waters. 10b. Explain the logistics of loading and unloading the Ark. Relate this to the time available given in the answer to question (7) and to the distribution referred to in questions (6) and (9). 10c. Explain how there were pairs, male and female, of social (forming colonies), parthenogenic (female only) and hermaphroditic (both sexes in one individual) animals. 11. Why do you feel that there must be a mechanistic, naturalistic or materialist exposition of the wondrous events described in the Bible? 12. Why has God given us all the evidence for an earth more than 100,000 years old and for evolution and the intelligence to infer that? Why has God given us a Bible with all of the evidence that it is not to be read according to the norms of modern western historical and scientific writing? 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Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by DeathMonkey You, dumbass. Nice sidestep. Among the things Christians and other "ID" retards "take on faith" - Noah put 2 of every species - including 1.4 million species of insects - on a boat smaller than the QEII. Adam and Eve created 6 billion people in only 5000 years. Moses parted the Red Sea. Some dude marched around Jericho for three days and the walls fell down by themselves. Jesus was a miracle caterer - see: the loaves and the fishes. Lazarus was raised from the dead. But easily replicated physical laws "don't prove anything".Welcome to the Dark Ages. Seriously, kill yourselves, you're taking up my air.I have nothing against religious interpretation per se, but when you parse such hairs and step into the deductive reasoning arena, you are going to lose. Period. Religion is by it's nature "supernatural", not natural. Science is the description of natural laws. The two are seperate, and need to be. As soon as you start trying to explain or justify religion as science, you lose. It's just {censored}ing stupid, as stupid as trying to explain deep spiritual crisises with science. and yet ALL MATTER is comprised of the same material..a chunk of wood, a piece of metal and human tissue...when broken down to the molecular/atomic level is arranged atoms moving in different speeds...who 'arranges' these matters into physical objects? and how did these arranged 'human' OBJECTS 'evolve' any form of ethics or 'morality' all non-physical concepts??? how can scientists 'quantify' inspiration? or 'love'? or explain the 'counterfactuals' involved in rational decision making? keep on griping and cussing..you may convince me that you are indeed a descendant of an ape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by AgentOrange Im glad someone posted the Miller Experiment, and before the creationists jump in and say how its lightyears away from forming life from chemicals, let me just explain why it was so groundbreaking. The Miller experiment was an attempt, in the 1960s, to see if it was possible to recreate the conditions of earth billions of years ago and see if anything would actually happen of its own accord. Although there are problems with the miller experiment, it is still ground breaking because it demonstrated that chemical compounds, under the conditions we was replicating, will form into more complex compounds. These more complex compounds were in the form of Adenine one of the four nitrongenous bases of DNA (one of those G T A C letters you see mapping genomes) as well as components of ATP, without which, there would be no life. Yes, its hard to replicate those early conditions rigourously, since unless you wait billions of years and recreate them exactly over vast spaces, you arent going to satisfy the creationists. But that wasnt the point of the experiment, it did show for the first time that organic compounds would form spontaneously under those conditions, which is very exciting. Now of course this isnt proof, but there is no such thing as proof in science, but it is a basis for further research and a foundation for theory. Of course, electricity is still a theory, and it powers your amplifiers, and despite what the church did to him, Galileo had been telling the world the earth revolved around the sun years before it was possible to see with our own eyes.James no...NO! there isn't a scientist worth his 'salt' that isn't absolutely embarrased over this Miller exp. trying to replicate in a lab...genesis/creation...er, using CREATED THINGS.. yep, that's gonna prove alot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 here's some fine 'fruit' courtesy of 'evolutionary' thought!http://www.fixedearth.com/hlsm.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdwill2u Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 No We were created in the image of God, meaning we have a soul that is eternal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredhead666 Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Absolutely. There is no God, there is no Santa Claus, and there is no tooth fairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by gdwill2u NoWe were created in the image of God, meaning we have a soul that is eternal. and 'significance' which is innate! not 'attained to or earned' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by shredhead666 Absolutely.There is no God, there is no Santa Claus, and there is no tooth fairy. er, the 'tooth fairy' left a dollar bill under my pillow when I was a kid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by Echoes and yet ALL MATTER is comprised of the same material..a chunk of wood, a piece of metal and human tissue...when broken down to the molecular/atomic level is arranged atoms moving in different speeds...who 'arranges' these matters into physical objects? and how did these arranged 'human' OBJECTS 'evolve' any form of ethics or 'morality' all non-physical concepts??? how can scientists 'quantify' inspiration? or 'love'? or explain the 'counterfactuals' involved in rational decision making?keep on griping and cussing..you may convince me that you are indeed a descendant of an ape! hahah, this bull{censored} again. If you don't know why humans would evolve traits such as morality and creativity, I'm not gonna bother explaining it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredhead666 Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by Echoes er, the 'tooth fairy' left a dollar bill under my pillow when I was a kid... Damn, I stand corrected. Tooth Fairy exists after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members circlejerk Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by gdwill2u NoWe were created in the image of God, meaning we have a soul that is eternal. what about ants and cockroaches. do they have souls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredhead666 Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by circlejerk what about ants and cockroaches. do they have souls? No, they weren't created by God because if they were, it would mean that God is actually a cockroach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredhead666 Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Here's something I bet you all didn't know about God.....She's Black! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members circlejerk Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 I think we are all robots in a giant rock'em sock'em robots arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by shredhead666 No, they weren't created by God because if they were, it would mean that God is actually a cockroach. maybe evolution IS TRUE! ... as I can see some people that appear to have evolved from 'cockroaches'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by blargh hahah, this bull{censored} again. If you don't know why humans would evolve traits such as morality and creativity, I'm not gonna bother explaining it to you. if there is no God...and only approximately 7% of all crime is prosecuted...why shouldn't I just 'grab all I can get' at the expense of others? even if I kill them...what should that matter?http://www.fixedearth.com/hlsm.htmlhere's what 'your' ideology gets you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by Echoes if there is no God...and only approximately 7% of all crime is prosecuted...why shouldn't I just 'grab all I can get' at the expense of others? even if I kill them...what should that matter? http://www.fixedearth.com/hlsm.htmlhere's what 'your' ideology gets you! Because then human society won't be able to function properly, it's not a hard concept to grasp. Evolution does not have any kind of ideology, and that you think it does shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Social darwinsm is racism/hate which tries to justify itself by perverting real science, but has nothing to do with evolutionary theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bob the dentist Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by circlejerk I think we are all robots in a giant rock'em sock'em robots arena. {censored} YOU MAN WE AREN'T ROBOTS WE'RE CYBORGS GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT YOU FAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chaotic Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 There has been exactly one scientific paper on intelligent design and it was completely and utterly refuted. There have been tens of thousands of scientific papers on evolution. ID isn't a scientific theory, evolution is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CliffC8488 Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by Echoes if there is no God...and only approximately 7% of all crime is prosecuted...why shouldn't I just 'grab all I can get' at the expense of others? even if I kill them...what should that matter? http://www.fixedearth.com/hlsm.htmlhere's what 'your' ideology gets you! Ah, so the reason societies develop laws is because there is a god. Once again, natural selection. Many animals benefit from pack, pride, village, etc. structure. Strength in numbers. Better chance of survival and propagation of the species. Anarchy, which is what you propose, is inherently anti-societal, as you said, "grab all that *I* can get". An everyone-for-himself mentality would naturally be selected out as those with a predisposition for societal behavior would have a survival advantage.And that link... wow, just wow. You actually believe that crap? Well, as they say, ignorance is bliss I guess.CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by CliffC8488 Ah, so the reason societies develop laws is because there is a god. Once again, natural selection. Many animals benefit from pack, pride, village, etc. structure. Strength in numbers. Better chance of survival and propagation of the species. Anarchy, which is what you propose, is inherently anti-societal, as you said, "grab all that *I* can get". An everyone-for-himself mentality would naturally be selected out as those with a predisposition for societal behavior would have a survival advantage. And that link... wow, just wow. You actually believe that crap? Well, as they say, ignorance is bliss I guess. CC ignorance?....have you read the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights?...do you recognize the CHRISTIAN BIBLE TERMS littered throughout the documents????...maybe read the teminology on our currency???our nation, whether you want to believe it or not IS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLE!....I was just showing YOU what you get when you 'found' governments on DARWINIAN EVOLUTION PRINCIPLES...man...put a Priest collar on a man and people will believe HE represents GOD...put a white lab coat on a man and John Q Public will believe HE represents TRUTH and FACT....I'll 'think' for myself thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredhead666 Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by Echoes if there is no God...and only approximately 7% of all crime is prosecuted...why shouldn't I just 'grab all I can get' at the expense of others? even if I kill them...what should that matter? http://www.fixedearth.com/hlsm.htmlhere's what 'your' ideology gets you! Because then the race would die out quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AgentOrange Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by Echoes no...NO! there isn't a scientist worth his 'salt' that isn't absolutely embarrased over this Miller exp. trying to replicate in a lab...genesis/creation...er, using CREATED THINGS.. yep, that's gonna prove alot! Thats not what todays scientists take from the experiment. It was the first of its kind and inspired many future scientists to carry out work based on the ideas. It was thought provoking, which is why it is revered. Yes the miller experiment offers no 'proof' of anything inperticular, but it was the ideas it gave people that make it important. Its important in the same way that Gregor Mendels famous experiments on heritable genetics were. They were performed over 100 years before anyone knew what DNA was, but the idea that traits could be inherited and passed on to progeny inspired scientists to make further discoveries. His experiments themselves were flawed, non scientific, since he blatantly made up a lot of his results (they were too perfect), but thats not whats important. Anyways, its my birthday tommorow and im going to a party tonight, unless this threads still alive in a few days, i bid you all farewell Enjoy your somewhat pointless arguing James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by shredhead666 Because then the race would die out quickly? what? why should I care?....survival of the fittest man! right!if there is no God, we are 'descended' from apes or whatever...mankind is participating in a meaningless existence, 'heritage' means nothing...'legacy' means nothing...at the beginning and end of each day the only thing that matters is CARNAL PLEASURE!!! and whatever 'floats my boat' is what I'm gonna do!!! porn? SURE! kiddie porn? why NOT!!! rape? sounds like fun!....who cares? at the end of the day there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY! wooo--hooo....so, therefore, I can conclude:people that 'love' are FOOLS!'HOPE' is for dreamers weaklings and lame brains...Mercy is for those that don't think they can 'win' the fight...virtue is for people that aren't cleaver enough to 'get over' without negotiation...HE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS!!!!!!!! WOO-HOO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Echoes Posted August 14, 2006 Members Share Posted August 14, 2006 Originally posted by AgentOrange Anyways, its my birthday tommorow and im going to a party tonight, unless this threads still alive in a few days, i bid you all farewell Enjoy your somewhat pointless arguing James Happy Birthday! I respect your opinion! (I don't agree but I respect it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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