Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 A few weeks ago I picked up an AKG D3700...they are discontinued and are selling for cheap right now. I use a trusty Shure SM58, but thought I'd give it a try. The AKG is better...it's a bit hotter than a 58, and it keeps my voice in the mix really well, and I like the overall tone of it alot on my voice. These mics are going for cheap now...check them out...worth looking into if you're a singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Weathered Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 Meh...gimme a 58 or a Sennheiser e935 and I'm happy. Never been a fan of AKG or Audix vocal mics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 Meh...gimme a 58 or a Sennheiser e935 and I'm happy. Never been a fan of AKG or Audix vocal mics.I've always preferred a 58 over every other mic I've tried to date...but this one suits my voice really well.Even people in the audience that have seen the band play alot, say that I sound much better...asking me what did I do different to my vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 Not a big SM58 fan.(I like them on guitar cabs) I don't mind the AKG mentioned. Personally, for $120, nothing touched the EV N/D767, IMO. Great sounding mic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 496dart Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 On vocals, I'll take a Beta 58 over anything. Has anyone ever actually used that Neumann handheld ? I'd like to try one of those expensive bastards some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 Not a big SM58 fan.(I like them on guitar cabs) I don't mind the AKG mentioned. Personally, for $120, nothing touched the EV N/D767, IMO. Great sounding mic! I've used EV's before and I did like them, I remember the one I used was kinda powerful on the sibilance. The EV N/D767 sounds like a nice mic, I'd like to try that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 On vocals, I'll take a Beta 58 over anything. Has anyone ever actually used that Neumann handheld ? I'd like to try one of those expensive bastards some day. The bass player in my band uses one (Beta 58)...honk city, real nasally sounding...I don't like them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 The bass player in my band uses one (Beta 58)...honk city, real nasally sounding...I don't like them at all. Ditto. You can get it to sound ok. But it isn't a mic I'd ever buy personally. Its main thing going for it is the "58" part of its model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 Not a big SM58 fan.(I like them on guitar cabs) I don't mind the AKG mentioned. Personally, for $120, nothing touched the EV N/D767, IMO. Great sounding mic! No. The exaggerated bass response of the N/D's is murder on FOH. They sound great to the vocalist because of all that fat low end... but it's a mess out front. I figgered you'd know this. Audix Om6/Om7s are tremendous mics. Pattern control, gain before feedback, fidelity and frequency response are blazing for handheld dynamics. And they just sound great, in monitors, and out of the mains. How anyone could prefer a 58 to these is beyond my understanding...unless you just love them for some nostalgic reason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 496dart Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 hmm. i dont hear this honk in either of my betas. They sound like a hotter 58 with a clearer top to me. I did like the om7's -only mixed them a couple times. My strip eq was flat which was odd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 No. The exaggerated bass response of the N/D's is murder on FOH. They sound great to the vocalist because of all that fat low end... but it's a mess out front. I figgered you'd know this. Audix Om6/Om7s are tremendous mics. Pattern control, gain before feedback, fidelity and frequency response are blazing for handheld dynamics. And they just sound great, in monitors, and out of the mains. How anyone could prefer a 58 to these is beyond my understanding...unless you just love them for some nostalgic reason.... Regardless of the mic, proper strip EQing certainly makes sense. There is no exaggerated low end on the 767. Nice and full with an open top end. Great mic and highly regarded by the pros over at the LS forum as well. Are you using your low cuts? If you happen to like the Audix, that's ok with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Herald of Light Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 I've never used one, but I thought those EV N/Ds were supposed to have more of a tame proximity effect than other similar mics, which I would consider to be the opposite of exaggerated low end? Always sounded like a good idea to me. Someone once told me that the old ones were known for being able to make the monitors shake if you ate the mic, though, so I don't know if they changed something or what. The vocals often sound like crap when I see bands because I can tell the singers pretty much eat the mic and the proximity effect is ridiculous. Of course, the two main venues around here don't seem to have heard of the bass EQ band, and they're pretty dark and muddy sounding to begin with, so YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 13, 2007 Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 I've never used one, but I thought those EV N/Ds were supposed to have more of a tame proximity effect than other similar mics, which I would consider to be the opposite of exaggerated low end? Always sounded like a good idea to me. Someone once told me that the old ones were known for being able to make the monitors shake if you ate the mic, though, so I don't know if they changed something or what. The vocals often sound like crap when I see bands because I can tell the singers pretty much eat the mic and the proximity effect is ridiculous. Of course, the two main venues around here don't seem to have heard of the bass EQ band, and they're pretty dark and muddy sounding to begin with, so YMMV. I agree. The way it seems is that the proximity effect is less pronounced but that it extends farther so that when you are in the area of the ball there isn't as much variance. That's how it seems, either from the board or as the actual user. I always try to eat the mic but I also set the channel strip based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 hmm. i dont hear this honk in either of my betas. They sound like a hotter 58 with a clearer top to me.I did like the om7's -only mixed them a couple times. My strip eq was flat which was odd... I'm not saying it's horrible, the high mids are just too much to my ears..I need to EQ that mic to get it to sit right with a band alot more than a regular 58. If you like it with your voice, that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2007 I've never used one, but I thought those EV N/Ds were supposed to have more of a tame proximity effect than other similar mics, which I would consider to be the opposite of exaggerated low end? Always sounded like a good idea to me. Someone once told me that the old ones were known for being able to make the monitors shake if you ate the mic, though, so I don't know if they changed something or what. The vocals often sound like crap when I see bands because I can tell the singers pretty much eat the mic and the proximity effect is ridiculous. Of course, the two main venues around here don't seem to have heard of the bass EQ band, and they're pretty dark and muddy sounding to begin with, so YMMV. From being a front of house soundman for years, I've always (with any mic) hit the high pass (obviously) and backed off the bass frequencies on the strip a bit. 58's I add a bit of sibilance as well, they're a bit dark, but I prefer that over too bright. This AKG D3700 seems voiced well for my voice. I believe different voices sound better with different mics...no 'one mic' is the best vocal mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted January 14, 2007 Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 I kind of want a Shure 55SH for nostalgic reasons. Id also like to run a bullet mic next to it for raunchy ass vocals.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 I kind of want a Shure 55SH for nostalgic reasons. Id also like to run a bullet mic next to it for raunchy ass vocals.. You have a higher, cutting voice..I bet a regular 58 works well for you. My voice is higher too, a 58 fattens it up nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted January 14, 2007 Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 You have a higher, cutting voice..I bet a regular 58 works well for you. Yeah 58's seem to work. To be honest I havent experiemented much with mics. I dont know why but I like the dirty sound of those bullet mics they use for harmonica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 Yeah 58's seem to work. To be honest I havent experiemented much with mics. I dont know why but I like the dirty sound of those bullet mics they use for harmonica.If you like it, use it...Big Sugar tries to make the vocals sound like they are running through a Fender Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted January 14, 2007 Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 If you like it, use it...Big Sugar tries to make the vocals sound like they are running through a Fender Champ. I see Grady all the time man. He's a nice guy. Great player too. He's using what looks like a Twin but heavily modded. He's all about the raunchy ass tones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 I see Grady all the time man. He's a nice guy. Great player too. He's using what looks like a Twin but heavily modded. He's all about the raunchy ass tones too. {censored} ya...he's a Canadian, that's why you like him! He used to use a cranked up 100 watt Marshall stack...A friend of mine was doing sound for him in a small club in L.A. and the sound check was so loud that the owner of the club warned him to turn down or he couldn't play...I guess he thought {censored} that...They went on screaming loud and the owner shut the power off during the first song and kicked the band out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted January 14, 2007 Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 {censored} ya...he's a Canadian, that's why you like him! He used to use a cranked up 100 watt Marshall stack...A friend of mine was doing sound for him in a small club in L.A. and the sound check was so loud that the owner of the club warned him to turn down or he couldn't play...I guess he thought {censored} that...They went on screaming loud and the owner shut the power off during the first song and kicked the band out! LOL I believe it. His combo is unbelievably loud too. Sometimes its so loud you cant even hear the vocals, and his amp is not even miced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 LOL I believe it. His combo is unbelievably loud too. Sometimes its so loud you cant even hear the vocals, and his amp is not even miced. I bet he switched to combos to at least not be as insanely loud and lose alot of gigs...guess he doesn't like attenuators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adiohead Posted January 14, 2007 Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 i'm pretty sure i've used the AKG mentioned. was a great vocal mic! i mostly use sm58s but i actually like a 57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted January 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2007 LOL I believe it. His combo is unbelievably loud too. Sometimes its so loud you cant even hear the vocals, and his amp is not even miced. Check your PM's at Rig Talk. How do you PM somebody here now? :scratches head: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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