Members keithcar Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 my epi definately does not have the hollowed out pot cavity... so I assume its a swiss cheese constructed LP. Its definately lighter than my R7.my R7 is as solid as an LP could possibly be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 The X-ray's pic was of a BFG, you can tell by the neck P90. The pics Dirtybird posted was of a LP Studio Smartwood. Both of these are among the cheapest Les Pauls ever, so I'm not sure you can make assumptions on the higher end models based on these examples. I recently had the cover off of a new plain jane Standard and it didn't have the hollow cavity like you see in the Smartwood pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members electricface Posted February 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Are Epiphones weight relieved like this? Chambered and cheesed? Or are they still solid chunks of wood? Found an interesting thread via google: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/1450-weight-relieve-vs-chambered-2.htmlThe second picture is an epiphone les paul ultra II's routing. The first a gibson BFG. No other epis are weight relieved. I think it's because the phillipine, indonesian, african, or whatever mahogany they use isn't in short old growth supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members electricface Posted February 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 The X-ray's pic was of a BFG, you can tell by the neck P90.The pics Dirtybird posted was of a LP Studio Smartwood.Both of these are among the cheapest Les Pauls ever, so I'm not sure you can make assumptions on the higher end models based on these examples. The les paul studio vintage mahogany is also a cheapo lester. That's the intended destination of the floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bdubbs Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 From my understanding it has to do with the type of wood. There are solid body LPs with no weight relief that are like high 8 to 9 pounds. My LP studio is a 2004 so it is only swiss cheesed I believe. I don't see whats wrong with it, though I feel like it is to compensate for lower quality mahogany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dropsix Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 What do you guys mean by "swiss cheese'd"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Captain Commie Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 What do you guys mean by "swiss cheese'd"? Big old 1/2 inch holes drilled in the body under the pick guard and then covered up with the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members electricface Posted February 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 What do you guys mean by "swiss cheese'd"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dropsix Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 :oh Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thinkpad20 Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 I think it's because the phillipine, indonesian, african, or whatever mahogany they use isn't in short old growth supply. Chambering a guitar would use up less wood, but the wood you cut away would be useless for a guitar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keithcar Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 . I don't see whats wrong with it, though I feel like it is to compensate for lower quality mahogany. +1 i think thats the whole idea. the chambering is supposed to make lower grade mahogany more resonant and woodier sounding. i could be wrong but thats just what i think. not saying i could even tell the difference between one another.. im just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members electricface Posted February 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Chambering a guitar would use up less wood, but the wood you cut away would be useless for a guitar... Nononononono... The LOW GRADE mahogany is VERY heavy. Think a 13 pound les paul. 1959 unchambered les pauls weigh an average of 8.5 pounds. Take out a bunch of wood, take out a bunch of weight. Oh, and if they did a a HPL laminate on some future lower end guitars, it could be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seajay Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 +1i think thats the whole idea. the chambering is supposed to make lower grade mahogany more resonant and woodier sounding.i could be wrong but thats just what i think. not saying i could even tell the difference between one another.. im just sayin. I think it's also supposed to reduce weight. I think the swiss cheese holes are only to reduce weight, without any tone considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SG-DAWG Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 The chambering started in 07'.The custom and traditional are still just swiss cheesed.Thats why i got a 58 VOS, not that much more money ,solid body and pleked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members starsnuffer Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Chambering a guitar would use up less wood, but the wood you cut away would be useless for a guitar... The newer, cheaper woods are a lot heavier and more dense then mohogany used to be back in the day with the old growth trees. The weight relived (swiss cheese) LP's are actually the same weight as 60's LP's that were solid. -W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Jeez, just get a Carvin CS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Chambered / Swiss cheesed Gibson Les Pauls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TL4558P Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Enjoy your homless romanticism. I'm asking a valid question about something I'm going to have a licensed professional preform on a guitar which I own. You need a license to work on guitars these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mhr74 Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 Most of the civilized world thinks a floyd on a les paul is an abomination. Judging from the chambered pic you posted I'd say there's no way that's gonna work. But if you do get it done - pics or GTFO! this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seajay Posted February 11, 2009 Members Share Posted February 11, 2009 RIP Ian (yet again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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