Members 6stringmenace Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Played a Deuce Peavey amp, Power tubes only no preamp tubesplayed an Ampeg 2x8 small/big amp, preamp tube (1), no powertubes . . . Both sounded great. Cleans were punchy and full, could've noodled for hours They are both old amps so the overdrive would fart out but both had a very good grit gong on with them. Didn't have a chance to hook an overdrive to them. Tube tones originate in Power tubes or Preamp tubes????? What doth the HCAF sayeth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 Tube tone comes from both. I don't think you're asking this, but just in case, the first tubes in the signal path will be the preamp tubes. Of course, having both pre and power tubes gives more tube toanz. Related question: Are either pre or power tubes in the signal path responsible for more of the tube tone/characteristics such as feel, even order harmonics, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6stringmenace Posted March 13, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 thanks for the reply rushtallica . . . The only reason I ask is b/c I'm thinking of getting the Deuce amp, Peavey's are built like tanks, and having to only worry about one preamp tube to swap out will really simplifiy things when troubleshooting . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 thanks for the reply rushtallica . . . The only reason I ask is b/c I'm thinking of getting the Deuce amp, Peavey's are built like tanks, and having to only worry about one preamp tube to swap out will really simplifiy things when troubleshooting . . . If I had to choose between an amp with pre or power tubes only, it'd be kind of tough because an amp like the Marshall VS100 had a preamp tube (I think only one) but sounded pretty cool for some types of heavier music. Then again, if you have power tubes such as in the Peavey, especially if it has an fx loop, you can run other preamps or something like a Line 6 POD into the power section for added tube tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6stringmenace Posted March 13, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 dont remember if it had an effects loop . . . I usually have better luck with my dirt pedals before the amp though . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stevetemp Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 I am not sure if I'm actually going to answer any of your questions, but you got me thinking.... I can essentially walk into any store and have fun with any of the amps. All tube, hybrid, no tubes....no matter. Same with my amps at home (all different!). There are times I prefer a solid state amp. For example, when I am earnestly rehearsing scales, chords and other lessons, I like using my little red Guitar Research combo. Really helps me focus on the actual mechanics and detail of the exercises I am doing. If I want low volume Zakk/Dime tone, I like using my big Randall combo. That tone can be hard to get at low volume on some larger all-tube amps. Obviously, at a big gig, the GR amp won't do. So I chose the Twin or half stack amp. So I wouldn't overly worry about tubes/no tubes/some tubes.....if you are choosing the right tool for what you do. It seems to me that preamp tubes are more important at lower volumes and poweramp tubes really tube it up at higher volumes. As I said, I've had good experiences with all the formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TU BE Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 dont remember if it had an effects loop . . . I usually have better luck with my dirt pedals before the amp though . . . Dirt pedals always sound like ass when you run them through the fx loop. However, things like delay and reverb do much better running through the loop rather than out front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 if you want "tube toan", you need a tube amp...which neither of those is. my preference would be for an all tube preamp section and a SS power section, if i have to compromise...unfortunately, neither of those amps is that, either. if you like one of them, get it. troubleshooting either is going to be a bitch, because they're mainly SS amps. reducing the number of preamp tubes doesn't make it easier to troubleshoot, it just means there's more stuff that's not user serviceable that can go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Urban Ghandi Posted March 13, 2012 Members Share Posted March 13, 2012 My first amp was the 1980 Peavy Deuce....and I still own it. Before I became a tube snob (which of course ruined me) - I LOVED THIS TONE!!!! Truth is, I still like that amp a lot and would never sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6stringmenace Posted March 20, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 20, 2012 yeah, the deuce sounded killer . . . and I totally get the "get the right amp for the occasion" i was thinking of loud playing like at the bar/rehersals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kardula Posted March 20, 2012 Members Share Posted March 20, 2012 .related question: Does either pre or power tubes in the signal path responsible for more of the tube tone/characteristics such as feel, even order harmonics, etc.? my understanding that that the feel is more based in the power tubes and the harmonics are more based in the pre-amp tubes. The more you turn the volume up on the tube amp the more touch sensitive it becomes, this is because you get the power tubes working. The harmonics tie in to both, but I believe them to be more of a pre-amp thing since those are the first ones in the path typically. OP: Tube tones are absolutely a combination of both. Some can make any amp they play sound good, but the best sounding amps have always been tube amps to my ears. A buddy of mine used to play through an avt50 and he made that {censored} sound amazing. I'd jump on it and it would sound terrible. A lot of that tube tone we associate is a strong combo of both. Something like the avt50 would lose some of it's richness as I cranked the volume, however my peavey ultra would only get better. Hopefully that helps answer some of the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6stringmenace Posted April 2, 2012 Author Members Share Posted April 2, 2012 I hear you on that, I used to have a XXL head, great tube-like sounds but even my MTS3200 head sound 100x's better b/c its tubed . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted April 2, 2012 Members Share Posted April 2, 2012 thanks for the reply rushtallica . . . The only reason I ask is b/c I'm thinking of getting the Deuce amp, Peavey's are built like tanks, and having to only worry about one preamp tube to swap out will really simplifiy things when troubleshooting . . .you said the Ampeg had just a single preamp tube, not the Peavey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6stringmenace Posted April 2, 2012 Author Members Share Posted April 2, 2012 yeah, the ampeg had a single pre amp tube and no power tubes the peavey had no pre amp tube and 4 power tubes (6L6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted April 2, 2012 Members Share Posted April 2, 2012 yeah, the ampeg had a single pre amp tube and no power tubesthe peavey had no pre amp tube and 4 power tubes (6L6)But then you posted this, which contradicts. The only reason I ask is b/c I'm thinking of getting the Deuce amp, Peavey's are built like tanks, and having to only worry about one preamp tube to swap out will really simplifiy things when troubleshooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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