Members BerkleeBill Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 Moar meth and frozen pizzas, plox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Brady Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 i dunno, i feel like if you take over a brand you have an obligation to fulfill orders that have already paid. that is just terrible business practice and a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.not the best example but a cook doesnt walk in at shift change and throw away all the tickets that havent been made yet. It would have been the smart thing to do imo. It would have cleared the Cameron name going forward, at least for the business Brad King started. Brad has said he's not willing to change the name of the amps, so the stigma is going to be there until the past issues get resolved. Mark Cameron will probably continue to be a thieving addict, but there's not much you can do about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnpace2 Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 With Mark jumping ship, it's doubtfull that anyone that ordered from him will be getting their unfulfilled order because the money for those old orders was supposed to come from Mark's share of the profits. With him gone, he doesn't get any profits obviously, so no money will go towards paying back those he owes. Brad King has no obligation to fill those orders and has said as much. The Cameron name continues to have a tarnished rep and will so for a long time. Of course, this doesn't stop the owners from raving about the amps until they can flip them. You're wrong. Brad has said OVER AND OVER again that they will do their best to satisfy the old orders regardless of where Mark is in the picture. I've spoken to Brad several times about it. Of course, there is always a risk that it doesn't happen, but they are going to try like hell to clear the bad reputation. That said, I'm skeptical but if it comes out publically that the lost CCV's won't be provided, it should be a whole lot of bad press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tedmich Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 Cameron's looking pretty rough lately luckily many of his fan boys are honored to pay for a nonamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NaturalBornBoy Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 You're wrong. Brad has said OVER AND OVER again that they will do their best to satisfy the old orders regardless of where Mark is in the picture. I've spoken to Brad several times about it. Of course, there is always a risk that it doesn't happen, but they are going to try like hell to clear the bad reputation.That said, I'm skeptical but if it comes out publically that the lost CCV's won't be provided, it should be a whole lot of bad press. They can 'do their best' all they want. Bottom line, those guys who paid for an amp, are still {censored}ed. They were {censored}ed when Mark used their money to buy meth and frozen pizza and they're still {censored}ed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShaneV2 Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 The Atomica clips sound crazy good. I want to try one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleewell Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 yeah i guess if this was happening to a legitimate company i would be more surprised and feel worse for the people getting screwed. but if you are spending that kind of money on a known addict i guess there is always a good chance you end up ampless and thats the risk you take to add another name to your flipped amps column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wwhhaatt Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 1. hype amp2. "sell" fictional hyped amp3. disappear4. sell amp company name to a lambo driving music forum owner5. said owner re-hypes amp 6. take more money from new buyers7. never produce first "sold" amps8. laugh all the way to the ferrarri dealership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnpace2 Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 They can 'do their best' all they want. Bottom line, those guys who paid for an amp, are still {censored}ed. They were {censored}ed when Mark used their money to buy meth and frozen pizza and they're still {censored}ed now. Did you have a conversation with Brad? How did you form this opinion? You seem pretty certain. You may be right in the end, but nothing is set in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Brady Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 You're wrong. Brad has said OVER AND OVER again that they will do their best to satisfy the old orders regardless of where Mark is in the picture. I've spoken to Brad several times about it. Of course, there is always a risk that it doesn't happen, but they are going to try like hell to clear the bad reputation.That said, I'm skeptical but if it comes out publically that the lost CCV's won't be provided, it should be a whole lot of bad press. I read the thread over at Rig Talk started by the guy that ordered his amp from Mark before Brad. Brad publicly claims that he'll take care of those guys that are out an amp, but he also said he has no legal obligation to fill those orders. So what does that mean? To me its clear that those guys are {censored} out of luck until Brad decides that he has made enough money to do it. When does that happen? Who knows? There's no clear set point. Cameron Amps make $30k and everyone gets their amps? No one can tell. It was said that a share of Mark's profits would go to building amps for those guys that he took money from. Well, now that he's not in the picture, where's the money to come from? It's not like they designated 25% of the profits as Mark's regardless if he was there or not. What they should do is continue to keep a percentage back regardless if Mark is in the picture or not. Now that Mark is "out of the picture" they just seem to be taking his share and banking it or rolling it back into the manufacturing. It's convenient for them in some ways that he's gone. Which, from a business point makes sense, but the liability of those back orders should have been the first priority. It was strongly implied from the beginning, that they would try to make it right. I don't know how much profit this venture is making, but I'm going to guess it's not what Brad initially thought it would be, thus the reason they haven't been able to fill those back orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NaturalBornBoy Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 Did you have a conversation with Brad? How did you form this opinion? You seem pretty certain. You may be right in the end, but nothing is set in stone. Form what opinion? That those guys have yet to get an amp or their money back? They haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wwhhaatt Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 It's amazing how things like this happen so often in the music instrument world and there are always people eager to defend the criminals. When I took over my father's business I didn't just throw out the old bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shine Posted March 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 1. hype amp2. "sell" fictional hyped amp3. disappear4. sell amp company name to a lambo driving music forum owner5. said owner re-hypes amp 6. take more money from new buyers7. never produce first "sold" amps8. laugh all the way to the ferrarri dealership. ok, so no accountability from the owners who assumed control of the company. People who paid upfront have been sent nothing and no refunds. And people still continue to support meth addicts with shady business practices. Seems legit to purchase from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleewell Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 anyone else notice that the only 3 people defending this company own cameron amps wonder if they would be singing the same tune if they had paid all that money and were still waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnpace2 Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 I read the thread over at Rig Talk started by the guy that ordered his amp from Mark before Brad. Brad publicly claims that he'll take care of those guys that are out an amp, but he also said he has no legal obligation to fill those orders. So what does that mean? To me its clear that those guys are {censored} out of luck until Brad decides that he has made enough money to do it. When does that happen? Who knows? There's no clear set point. Cameron Amps make $30k and everyone gets their amps? No one can tell. It was said that a share of Mark's profits would go to building amps for those guys that he took money from. Well, now that he's not in the picture, where's the money to come from? It's not like they designated 25% of the profits as Mark's regardless if he was there or not. What they should do is continue to keep a percentage back regardless if Mark is in the picture or not. Now that Mark is "out of the picture" they just seem to be taking his share and banking it or rolling it back into the manufacturing. It's convenient for them in some ways that he's gone. Which, from a business point makes sense, but the liability of those back orders should have been the first priority. It was strongly implied from the beginning, that they would try to make it right. I don't know how much profit this venture is making, but I'm going to guess it's not what Brad initially thought it would be, thus the reason they haven't been able to fill those back orders. You're basically right and Brad and co will be providing the amps out of their own pocket. 2 of the amps have been provided (there were 13 total) so they are slowing coming to those who placed orders before Brad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnpace2 Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 anyone else notice that the only 3 people defending this company own cameron amps wonder if they would be singing the same tune if they had paid all that money and were still waiting? I'm not defending the company, I'm actually owed an amp. I'm just trying to clear up misconceptions about what has been promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 100 watt Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 The Atomica clips sound crazy good. I want to try one werent those based on "the" Atomica amp? I read a story about that amp. I think it was one of those "Holy Grail" Jose modded Marshalls. Then it was accidently returned to stock specs & sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShaneV2 Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 werent those based on "the" Atomica amp? I read a story about that amp. I think it was one of those "Holy Grail" Jose modded Marshalls. Then it was accidently returned to stock specs & sold Yup. The clips I've heard interest me way more than the CCV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cavemanic Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 depends who you ask, apparently Mark is a 'stand up class act guy' for some people ...http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?1897682-Cameron-CCV-100-...canceled-my-order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MacFangus Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 I use to "rag" on these amps - but once I played one... Open mouth - insert foot! They rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members magh8 Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 I'm going to make a trip to king guitar in the next couple weeks to demo and atomica and maybe the CCV if Brad has a CCV to demo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShaneV2 Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 I'm going to make a trip to king guitar in the next couple weeks to demo and atomica and maybe the CCV if Brad has a CCV to demo I see that you're in MA. You should bring an Atomica home and we should have a NewEngland ampfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wizard of Ozz Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 depends who you ask, apparently Mark is a 'stand up class act guy' for some people ... http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?1897682-Cameron-CCV-100-...canceled-my-order. Yeah... like his crack dealer for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hobbenator Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 Yeah, but what happened? Like really went on mark and the business partners and the old unfulfilled orders? Give me that dirty info. The ones who are {censored}ed with no hope sent amps and ca$h for mods. I saw a thread saying he had rooms full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cavemanic Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 Yeah... like his crack dealer for instance. yeah its funny...how come its always the same guys with the 'class act stand up guy REAL HUMAN BEING AND A REAL HERO' statements and the guys they defend end up being scammers??!?! whats up with that!?!? [video=youtube;-DSVDcw6iW8] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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