Members i386 Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by TheRymanChu There are over 270 million privately owned firearms in the U.S. Corrected, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted December 26, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by TheRymanChu You are dead wrong. I suggest you pick up a book. Which ones? The ones written by the progressive academic institutions? Edit: Milton Friedman? Friedrich Hayek? Frederic Bastiat? Jonah Goldberg? I don't think so. Doesn't line up with what modern academia puts out which espouses the state as being benevolent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by scuff Authoritarian societies like Sweden and Danemark? Dude sorry to say it but these days there are a lot of countries doing better than the US. And most of us are looking at the debate about guns in the US and cannot believe the NRA and the gun owners. Oh yeah, all the socialist contries like Greece are doing just super And the NRA & gun ownership aer the reason the US is in such bad shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy You don't have a right to life with no regulation. That quote has many interpetations. Maybe you could be expound on that a little bit ? I'm not sure what you are getting at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheRymanChu Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by marshallnoise Which ones? The ones written by the progressive academic institutions? Edit: Milton Friedman? Friedrich Hayek? Frederic Bastiat? Jonah Goldberg? The first three are economists and the last is a right-wing journalist. I honestly don't know what the {censored} you're talking about, but I hope that you get the help that you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted December 26, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by TheRymanChu The first three are economists and the last is a right-wing journalist. I honestly don't know what the {censored} you're talking about, but I hope that you get the help that you need. Why is it you must disintegrate into degradation? Just the type of thing that a cocksucker would do. Who in your opinion are the qualified people to discuss the nature of political systems and governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wok Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by DoubleBarrel Oh yeah, all the socialist contries like Greece are doing just super And the NRA & gun ownership aer the reason the US is in such bad shape Greece is a parliamentary republic.[69] The nominal head of state is the President of the Republic, who is elected by the Parliament for a five-year term.[69] The current Constitution was drawn up and adopted by the Fifth Revisionary Parliament of the Hellenes and entered into force in 1975 after the fall of the military junta of 1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted December 26, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by wok Dude, seriously? A parliamentary republic can enact socialist policy. Gat Dam you people are getting so {censored}ing stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wok Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by marshallnoise Dude, seriously? A parliamentary republic can enact socialist policy. Gat Dam you people are getting so {censored}ing stupid. or you can read closer before you spout your usual bull{censored}. and can the {censored}ing insults, asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by wok or you can read closer before you spout your usual bull{censored}. and can the {censored}ing insults, asshole. Or YOU could read your own quote Since the restoration of democracy, the Greek two-party system is dominated by the liberal-conservative New Democracy (ND) and the social-democratic Panhellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK). Hmmmm...wonder what PASOK is It's the socialist policies that have made Greece bankrupt & Obama, Pelosi, Reed and all the other "progressives" want us to be more like Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by DoubleBarrel That quote has many interpetations. Maybe you could be expound on that a little bit ? I'm not sure what you are getting at Nowhere is it guaranteed that you carte blanche own guns. You may own them but you're not guaranteed a right to own them with no regulation. Regulating guns does not infringe on your rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by DoubleBarrel Or YOU could read your own quote Hmmmm...wonder what PASOK is It's the socialist policies that have made Greece bankrupt & Obama, Pelosi, Reed and all the other "progressives" want us to be more like Europe A.) no they don't B.) Europe is more than just greece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members larryguitar Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy See, we agree then. Confiscation? No bueno. A list to hold people accountable? Yessir. If gun registration lead to confiscation I will be right there with you. Seriously. What I've been fighting for all along is keeping gun ownership above the table. Nothing more, nothing less. It did when California retroactively declared certain weapons illegal; the registrations were used to search them out. We don't have to imagine it happening, we can just remember it happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted December 26, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy A.) no they don't B.) Europe is more than just greece Wait, it's not the socialist programs that they passed in all of Europe that is leading to the financial take down of the whole continent? Governments promising to retire people early, expand social welfare programs, tax the rich to pay the poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by larryguitar It did when California retroactively declared certain weapons illegal; the registrations were used to search them out. We don't have to imagine it happening, we can just remember it happening... Then that's a separate issue I have and one I will fight with you. I'm not proposing a registration to simply form a list to collect on later. That's ridiculous if that's the plan. My proposal, which is independent, is registering all guns and closing gun show loop holes, private fire arms sales, requiring mental health assessment when applying for a permit to own a gun and background checks mandatory for all firearm sales. Basically holding gun owners responsible for their own guns and at least attempting to control guns from being purchased legally then transferred to 'the bad guy'. I know it's not perfect but it's how I see bringing guns 'above the table'. My line of thinking is based on the fact that a gun should never be an impulse buy where these checks would need to be bypassed. Gun owners should be able to get Pre-registered/evaluated when they buy their first gun. Just basic common sense stuff. I'd never agree with posting a list of who owns what or using said list against owners in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by marshallnoise Wait, it's not the socialist programs that they passed in all of Europe that is leading to the financial take down of the whole continent? Governments promising to retire people early, expand social welfare programs, tax the rich to pay the poor? European markets werent tied closely to the us mortgage market? When it crashed it didn't crash their governments that were heavily invested in hedge funds/etc that were invested in the mortgage market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Anomaly Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 I have yet to read the words "Marxist" or "Socialist" spoken or written by anyone on forums or facebook, in reference to some of the officials in this country, who know what those words actually and REALLY mean.Lol, I always find it comical and ironic that the folks who have the guns are usually the most scared of something happening to them or the 2nd amendment (nothing is going to happen to either, most likely), or the most scared of someone coming for them, and the people WITHOUT the guns aren't "scared" or worried about it at all.Isn't that ironic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chrispsullivan Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Then that's a separate issue I have and one I will fight with you. I'm not proposing a registration to simply form a list to collect on later. That's ridiculous if that's the plan. My proposal, which is independent, is registering all guns and closing gun show loop holes, private fire arms sales, requiring mental health assessment when applying for a permit to own a gun and background checks mandatory for all firearm sales. Basically holding gun owners responsible for their own guns and at least attempting to control guns from being purchased legally then transferred to 'the bad guy'. I know it's not perfect but it's how I see bringing guns 'above the table'. My line of thinking is based on the fact that a gun should never be an impulse buy where these checks would need to be bypassed. Gun owners should be able to get Pre-registered/evaluated when they buy their first gun. Just basic common sense stuff. I'd never agree with posting a list of who owns what or using said list against owners in the future. The problem is that the lists are quite obviously being compiled for exactly this reason. It's the same method that was used on medical marijuana patients and gun owners in California in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exafro Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Then that's a separate issue I have and one I will fight with you. I'm not proposing a registration to simply form a list to collect on later. That's ridiculous if that's the plan. My proposal, which is independent, is registering all guns and closing gun show loop holes, private fire arms sales, requiring mental health assessment when applying for a permit to own a gun and background checks mandatory for all firearm sales. Basically holding gun owners responsible for their own guns and at least attempting to control guns from being purchased legally then transferred to 'the bad guy'. I know it's not perfect but it's how I see bringing guns 'above the table'. My line of thinking is based on the fact that a gun should never be an impulse buy where these checks would need to be bypassed. Gun owners should be able to get Pre-registered/evaluated when they buy their first gun. Just basic common sense stuff. I'd never agree with posting a list of who owns what or using said list against owners in the future. This will never work because the people arguing about this want either all or nothing. They'll either win out completely or have a devastating loss to their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exafro Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Then that's a separate issue I have and one I will fight with you. I'm not proposing a registration to simply form a list to collect on later. That's ridiculous if that's the plan. My proposal, which is independent, is registering all guns and closing gun show loop holes, private fire arms sales, requiring mental health assessment when applying for a permit to own a gun and background checks mandatory for all firearm sales. Basically holding gun owners responsible for their own guns and at least attempting to control guns from being purchased legally then transferred to 'the bad guy'. I know it's not perfect but it's how I see bringing guns 'above the table'. My line of thinking is based on the fact that a gun should never be an impulse buy where these checks would need to be bypassed. Gun owners should be able to get Pre-registered/evaluated when they buy their first gun. Just basic common sense stuff. I'd never agree with posting a list of who owns what or using said list against owners in the future. This will never work because the people arguing about this want either all or nothing. They'll either win out completely or have a devastating loss to their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy A.) no they don't B.) Europe is more than just greece You are right, Europe is more than just Greece. they were just the first to hit rock bottom because of socialist policies. All of Europe is in trouble, and that's where Obama, Pelosi & Reed want to take us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...gn_debt_crisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by chrispsullivan The problem is that the lists are quite obviously being compiled for exactly this reason. It's the same method that was used on medical marijuana patients and gun owners in California in the past. Can you link me to the story on California forcing gun buyback? I didn't know about it and would like some reading on it if you get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by DoubleBarrel You are right, Europe is more than just Greece. they were just the first to hit rock bottom because of socialist policies. All of Europe is in trouble, and that's where Obama, Pelosi & Reed want to take us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...gn_debt_crisis Sounds to me it was still rooted to the American mortgage market collapsing. We {censored}ed em. Their system was great for a long time. What is so bad about wanting your citizens to retire earlier and increasing their quality of life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheRymanChu Posted December 26, 2012 Members Share Posted December 26, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Then that's a separate issue I have and one I will fight with you. I'm not proposing a registration to simply form a list to collect on later. That's ridiculous if that's the plan. My proposal, which is independent, is registering all guns and closing gun show loop holes, private fire arms sales, requiring mental health assessment when applying for a permit to own a gun and background checks mandatory for all firearm sales. Basically holding gun owners responsible for their own guns and at least attempting to control guns from being purchased legally then transferred to 'the bad guy'. I know it's not perfect but it's how I see bringing guns 'above the table'. . I'm on pretty much the same page as you. Look at Japan's requirements to purchase and keep a firearm. Though I don't agree with every requirement, they have many good ones that keep the total number of deaths extremely low. I wish the founding fathers had written an amendment guaranteeing us protection from the recklessness of gun nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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