Members mamberg Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 I really had no idea that EVERYONE was asking for a digital reverb on DSL's. who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rey Gato Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 No they don't, I've owned the TSL100 and DSL100 multiple times and side by side. The differences are negligible and indistinguishable when EQd more or less the same. If anything, the TSL sounds tighter with the lead channel engaged! This is interesting. Years ago, a friend brought me his DSL100 to replace the OT with a Mercury Magnetics one he bought for it. I played it for a few minutes before I did the swap, because I'd never played one before. From what I remember, I was disappointed by the flubbiness of it. It didn't strike me as a tight, modern sounding amp at all. However, to be fair, I should have spent some more time with it to be able to form a proper opinion. Just recently I tried out a TSL100 in a local store. It sounded okay, but seemed kinda fizzy and gritty. I admit that I didn't turn it up very loud, so that's probably why. I am currently trying to work out a deal for a dead mint DSL100. I'm hoping that I'll like it once I spend some time with it, and get to play it loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members teemuk Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 Initially they had a pc board that would break down and become conductive causing the failures pictured, they would burn up!Don't forget...- Rectifier that overheats, unsolders itself and and arcs- Tube socket solder joints breaking loose... arcing again- Fail-prone output jack switching that could take out the entire output transformer- Arcing prone, non-fusible screen resistors- Oscillating power tubes- Thin PCB to which arcing burns holes- Connectors developing intermittency or breaking their solder joints: arcing... again. - Powering the delicate low voltage circuit from filament supply: Plate-filament short toasts everything. And as if you would even need that bad luck, couple that to a PCB design flaw that easily allows screen supply to arc into the filament supply.It's like a record of how much fail you can compile to a design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 Initially they had a pc board that would break down and become conductive causing the failures pictured, they would burn up!The board was replaced by a better version.Also, they really need to make the modes for each channel footswitchable. Mother{censored}ingthis. My biggest complaint about the DSL. Front panel is great, which makes for a great studio amp, but is very limited when playing it live, unless you just want two channels like most of us. However, there are always way of modding it to make it footswitchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 I like these upgrades!! Looking forward to test drive this amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nick H Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 Well looks neat, but the chances are I probably wont be able to get one until they hit the used market in 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skibob Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yup. They missed the two most asked for upgrades. The footswitchable modes and the separate eqs. If it had the footswitchable modes I would be all over it. The other "upgrades" don't really interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members les_paul Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm interested. Hopefully they're more reliable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members magh8 Posted July 15, 2012 Members Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yup. They missed the two most asked for upgrades. The footswitchable modes and the separate eqs. If it had the footswitchable modes I would be all over it. The other "upgrades" don't really interest me. I imagine this is to keep them out of the JVM's back pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 I had listed my DSL for sale but quickly took it down, since I realized that I was planning to buy another down the road. Figured I may as well just keep this one instead of selling it and buying another one later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neilrocks25 Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 Don't forget... - Rectifier that overheats, unsolders itself and and arcs - Tube socket solder joints breaking loose... arcing again - Fail-prone output jack switching that could take out the entire output transformer - Arcing prone, non-fusible screen resistors - Oscillating power tubes - Thin PCB to which arcing burns holes - Connectors developing intermittency or breaking their solder joints: arcing... again. - Powering the delicate low voltage circuit from filament supply: Plate-filament short toasts everything. And as if you would even need that bad luck, couple that to a PCB design flaw that easily allows screen supply to arc into the filament supply. It's like a record of how much fail you can compile to a design. Never had those problems, but I have noticed you bag on Marshall's a lot. The DSL is a great amp, ad I know so many people gigging with them and never once having a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neilrocks25 Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 Initially they had a pc board that would break down and become conductive causing the failures pictured, they would burn up!The board was replaced by a better version.Also, they really need to make the modes for each channel footswitchable. I has one of the originals it was checked over with a tech and all was fine after 10 years of use, but that was the head. The combo wasn't do good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guidedbyechoes Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 This! I already have a JVM 410H, but the "Joe Satriani JVM" looks very cool! Marshall JVM410H Joe Satriani Edition $2600.00Joe Satriani Edition Amplifier Head Features: * Modified version of the classic JVM410 amp, voiced to Joe Satriani's tonal specifications * Four noise gates help you dial in a defined tone on every channel * Clean channel is the same design found in the Marshall LM6100 * Orange crunch channel is the same design found in the Marshall JCM800 (2203) * Red crunch channel is similar to the Marshall AFD100 in AFD mode * Overdrive channels sound more dynamic and open, thanks to a re-designed power supply * "Mid Shift" control on OD1 and OD2 shifts the midrange focus for extra tonal versatility * 12AX7 preamp tubes, EL34 power tubes * Footswitch included * MIDI input for configurable switching and control They missed a channel unless the pic isnt accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AdrianPOA Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 They missed a channel unless the pic isnt accurate. Nope, that's a 4 channel head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 No they don't, I've owned the TSL100 and DSL100 multiple times and side by side. The differences are negligible and indistinguishable when EQd more or less the same. If anything, the TSL sounds tighter with the lead channel engaged! I think a lot of folks simply use the DSL's green channel. I am in that camp. But I also feel the TSL's other channels are not all that desirable. And neither is the red channel of the DSL. That said, I hope this forces prices for the old DSLs down because I want one! And I am cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mother{censored}ingthis. My biggest complaint about the DSL. Front panel is great, which makes for a great studio amp, but is very limited when playing it live, unless you just want two channels like most of us.However, there are always way of modding it to make it footswitchable. THIS. Everything is able to be modded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guidedbyechoes Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 Nope, that's a 4 channel head. the description part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AdrianPOA Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 the description part. OD1 and OD2 are the high gain channels on the standard JVM 410 head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scud133 Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 Does it come with one of these? it's not a Bugera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members satannica Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 If anything, I think I liked my TSL100s more than the DSL100s, but both amps need tweaking to get what you want out of them. We used to cover a few Fear Factory songs and I simply used a stock TSL100. It is really versatile. But that all said, the mere fact that the JVM410h exists, I wonder why anyone would bother with either. The JCM2000s were not the most reliable of amps, I did need to journey up to Milton Keynes every so often for Marshall to fix them. But I never, across the 17 JCM2000 amps I owned, gigged and used, ever had to reach for a fire extinguisher or experience a stupidly expensive failure. The three Bugera combos I had delivered lasted a total if 4 minutes between them; apparently plugging them in is expecting too much :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 59humbucker Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mother{censored}ingthis. My biggest complaint about the DSL. Front panel is great, which makes for a great studio amp, but is very limited when playing it live, unless you just want two channels like most of us.However, there are always way of modding it to make it footswitchable. I've got the 401 combo, for some reason, you can change between crunch modes on this amp an very usefull it is too! I've no idea why this feature never made it to the heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyfirst Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 I toured a DSL 100 for 2 years with no problems at all, out of a cold van into a warm venue, no flightcase, it even got dropped a few times. it probably did nearing 200 shows with no issues, so my experiences are only good. I like the red channel and my EQ for clean/drive sounds is pretty close anyway so i dont see a shared eq as a compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Anomaly Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 I don't get the fascination with reverb. I've never heard my amps' reverb once the band kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadKeithV Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 I don't get the fascination with reverb. I've never heard my amps' reverb once the band kicks in. There you have it. The band. Bedroom rockers don't have one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbarn3065 Posted July 16, 2012 Members Share Posted July 16, 2012 They missed a channel unless the pic isnt accurate. 4 channels with 3 modes on each channel (green, orange,and red). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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