Members BIGD Posted April 15, 2011 Members Share Posted April 15, 2011 Your vertical Horizons or Tonics or whoever..guys who had top 10 hits that are still being played on mainstream radio. What kind of cash are these guys bringing in still? I know it depends on how royalties were split between band members. I ask this because I know of one guy who wrote a pretty big hit that is working a 9-5 job..just wondering if it's because he has to or wants to. Yes, I know, nosey. \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 15, 2011 Members Share Posted April 15, 2011 A hit song in the 90's which was in the in the charts in 96 countries generated about £ 2.5 million of royalties for the songwriter in the year of release. Usually the sales decreased in the following years. Today his ditgital sales of one song generate $0.66 to $0.99 per sold song via iTunes, and slightly different rates from any other online digital shop. The royalty amount depends from where the consumer buys the song, e.g. when bought from the iTune shop in Switzerland, he get $0.99 per sold song which is the maximum, in Germany slightly less etc. etc.. Today the songwriter also earns royalties when his song is downloaded via cell phone from the telecommunication companies' music shops, this is the largest market today. It was the huge back catalogues and the digital sales which saved the record companies from bankruptcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted April 15, 2011 Moderators Share Posted April 15, 2011 Typically the band will not pull down much from airplay unless they own (at least a piece of) the publishing rights. The real money goes there, which is typically (not always) split between the author(s) and the label. Sometimes songwriters sell off their publishing rights for a lump sum of money, so even if they wrote the song, they may have relinquished any potential income from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flatfinger Posted April 15, 2011 Members Share Posted April 15, 2011 That's what makes it sort of an overgeneralized question ; A contract is whatever the two parties agree too and there isn't such a thing as a " standard " contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 15, 2011 Members Share Posted April 15, 2011 It is of not much interest stating what a songwriter can do wrong and then get nothing. It is better to tell young talents what the best conditions are, and what he must insist on when dealing with publisher, record companies and artist manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flatfinger Posted April 16, 2011 Members Share Posted April 16, 2011 It is of not much interest stating what a songwriter can do wrong and then get nothing.It is better to tell young talents what the best conditions are, and what he must insist on when dealing with publisher, record companies and artist manager. Or to advise the young songwriter that he would be best adviced to show up with an lawyer who specializes in entertainment law !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 16, 2011 Members Share Posted April 16, 2011 Or to advise the young songwriter that he would be best adviced to show up with an lawyer who specializes in entertainment law !!!! at least have all agreements checked by a eintertainment lawyer before he sign away his future villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted April 18, 2011 Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 A hit song in the 90's which was in the in the charts in 96 countries generated about £ 2.5 million of royalties for the songwriter in the year of release. Pop song? Rock song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 18, 2011 Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 Pop and Rock. Old pop and rock songs are on top of the digital sales lists, meaning some old pop and rock songs sell a lot via download since the invention of digital sales in 2001, e.g. Rock on one record label sales statement Bad Company is on #2 with one song, from same label and rock are greg Lake #6, The Turtles on #27, Beach Boys #35, Jimi Hendrix on #38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted April 18, 2011 Moderators Share Posted April 18, 2011 old people with iPods...who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members richardmac Posted April 18, 2011 Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 My dad is in his 70's and he has an iPod Nano. Of course, I bought it for him and taught him how to use it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 18, 2011 Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 old people with iPods...who knew? All the yuppies have one with music service by demand, like it, type in an artist and all albums show up in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BenDuncan Posted April 18, 2011 Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 My dad is in his 70's and he has an iPod Nano. Of course, I bought it for him and taught him how to use it... That's nothing, my dads in his 40s and I still need to help him with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 18, 2011 Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 my grandfather always said I buy a refrigerator next years, they will have better technology next year, he died without refrigerator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted April 19, 2011 Moderators Share Posted April 19, 2011 That's nothing, my dads in his 40s and I still need to help him with it. your dad is still a kid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MVP Loops Posted April 19, 2011 Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 I heard that Sting earns $2k a day in royalties just from Every Breath You Take. Not a one hit wonder but I thought I would see if anybody wanted to confirm that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 19, 2011 Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 Only Sting, his manager, his publisher and the author society could confirm anything like that, but guess what, they don't talk, nor do they provide any links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted April 19, 2011 Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 Radios in the US do not pay royalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 19, 2011 Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 http://www.bmi.com/creators/royalty/us_radio_royalties/ http://www.ascap.com/members/payment/royalties.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mel Cooley Posted April 19, 2011 Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 Of course, if the band still owes the record company money, which is likely if they were a one hit wonder, they likely aren't going to see any of it until the record company recoups their investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 19, 2011 Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 We had several bands with one hit, and those guys never worked again in their life. it is not really about the sceptics here in this thread, it is about to make the most out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted April 20, 2011 Moderators Share Posted April 20, 2011 the apparent secret is to market every potential outlet of that one hit, milk it for everything you can...Muzak, ringtones, commercials... Another thing to consider, although not totally gemane, is that many times what you think is a one-hit wonder, actually isn't. I recently was discusiing this with some friends who said 'Sugar Sugar' by the Archies was a perfect example...until I explained that Ron Dante, the voice of the Archies (including Betty and Veronica), had also hit earlier with the 'Leader of the Laundromat' parody (under a different band name-the Detergents) and also had 'Tracy' in the Top Ten at the same time as 'Sugar Sugar', under the guise of the CuffLinks. This is not typical, but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 when an advertisment agency decides to use a song for a for tv-spot, the author makes up to $2 million extra in royalties, eventually more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 So the real answer to the question is "it depends" basically. For a really truly popular song, like the Zeppelin example, or something like Microsoft using "Start Me Up" by the Stones as an ad campaign anchor, it could be millions of dollars. For random composers it could be hundreds, and for those in the middle with record deals and publishing I think they generally see thousands to maybe tens of thousands if they land a song in a national ad campaign. Short version, it's a negotiation and depends on the stuff you'd expect, like how popular the group is, how recognizable the song, and how averse to commercial use the band is as well as how fixated on the specific song the client is. Millions from a tv spot = pretty rare and only if you are already a really big star or if your song is already a big hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Millions from a tv spot = pretty rare and only if you are already a really big star or if your song is already a big hit. okay okay... here the reality: a composer/sound designer from hamburg germany made the ident melody for a super market chain, this melody wasn't a hit, nor is the composer known as pop star - he got his production fee for the first initial song - thru the years he had to make variation on the theme, e.g. with a banjo, with an acoustic guitar strumming etc., all with his melody on top of it the spot is broadcasted in three years about 1,5 million second, he gets between $ 0.70 to $1.05 royalties per second broadcasted the amount depending in what country the spot is broadcasted, the top of the list of royalties (more then $500.000 year) are more then half of the authors composer who make music for tv advertising, and the case of this composer in hamburg is by no means an exotic exception, and we do not even talk about what a composer gets in royalties for a melody for a Coca-Cola spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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