Members the stranger Posted October 8, 2008 Members Share Posted October 8, 2008 You saw me mention Vincebus Eruptum earlier in the thread, yeah? I'm so far ahead of you, today, Stranger, that I can just about kick you in the seat of the pants from here... You think Kyuss was listening to that album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted October 8, 2008 Members Share Posted October 8, 2008 Led Zeppelin have never acknowledged the Willie Dixon tunes they ripped off. They were credited as "Traditional. Arranged : Page Plant Bonham Jones" or something like that. No, actually they did -- and Robert Plant was publicly on record as being very contrite. He mumbled something about how they thought that was just how the blues was done, a line from this a line from that, a riff from here and one from there... and then their publisher sent off a big check. Willie Dixon was one of the big beneficiaries of that bit of fiscal catch-up and, while he was quite pointed in his comments going into the legal action, he was quite complimentary to Plant and Zep after it was over. His part of the reparations helped buy him a nice house in Whittier (IIRC), set up a small 8 track studio (one of my friends was the tech who put it in and ended up being Dixon's 'personal engineer' for a few years before Dixon's passing). Some of the money went to help found Dixon's pet project, the Blues Heaven Foundation, with the goal of taking care of aging blues players who hadn't profited from the industry or who'd lost what little they'd received. Another example of Plant "catching up" with older artists was his use of the "Honeydrippers" name for an album of oldies covers in the late 80s or early 90s. The "Original Honeydripper," pianist/vocalist Joe Liggins had had a big hit with "Honeydrippin'" right at the end of WWII and named his band the Honeydrippers [Amusingly, if you go to the Honeydripper's AllMusic page linked from their Joe Liggins article you end up on Plant's Honeydripper's page -- which has an 'alternative' explanation about the name of that band. It's not the one I read at the time nor what I heard from Liggins himself. And, if inaccurate, it certainly would be far from the only inaccuracy in a mostly useful if extremely clumsily designed and engineered site.] I met Joe when he was playing piano bar in the early 80s at what was then a disco in Long Beach called Bogarts (it would later become a rock venue that hosted many of the biggest alt-rock touring bands of the mid-late 80s/early 90s, including Nirvana, Nick Cave, etc). At that point, Joe had no band and was doing a very relaxed and charming act, covering standards, doing requests and being generally genial and fatherly. (When I mentioned him to my dad, since I knew Joe had had a long ago hit, my dad was beside himself -- he'd gone to high school with Joe, then a trumpeter, in San Diego in the late 30's [san Diego schools were integrated, even back then] and had shown Joe his first few piano chords; according to my dad he came in a few months later when he heard some rocking stride piano coming out of the band room and there was Joe... who could now play circles around my old man. I mentioned the story to Liggins and he very graciously said he remembered the story well. I wasn't absolutely, entirely sure I believed him but I certainly told my dad that Liggins had sent along his greetings. They're both gone now.) Anyhow, when Liggins heard about the Zep album he contacted a lawyer and the lawyer contacted Plant and his label. Plant was very contrite -- he thought Joe had passed years before -- and very complimentary to Joe, paid him deep props, told him that the UK Honeydrippers were a one-shot/one-tour band and that he wasn't staking any claim to the name, and there was some money, too, which allowed Joe to put together a working band, which he led until his death in '87. He was reportedly very happy with how it all worked out and thanked Plant for helping revive his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted October 8, 2008 Members Share Posted October 8, 2008 On my my Led Zeppelin I LP, Willie Dixon is credited as the writer of both songs. My understanding is that Willie Dixon simply wasn't paid until the lawsuit around 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pigger Posted October 8, 2008 Members Share Posted October 8, 2008 I got the original Woodstock triple album in 1970, and I liked all of it, but I thought Canned Heat sounded better live; their version of "Going up to the Country" rocked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philbo Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 Canned Heat was one of my favorite bands when I was 13 or so (around '67 or '68). And they still are. They are raw and unrefined. They never used Autotune. They play what they play without worrying about whether it'll make teenyboppers and A&R people salivate. They're not everyone's cup of tea. But I like 'em. I've bought every album of theirs that I've ever found. Just one of my quirks, I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 I saw Canned Heat quite a few times back in the day. Although Henry Vestine was one of the most ham-fisted guitar players around the band were a lot of fun and had a great attitude. The were perfect for the times and I have fond memories of lying in a sleeping bag bombed out of my brain along with two hundred thousand other freaks being woken up with "Hi kids, this is the Bear" at 6am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blastula Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 John Lee Hooker liked them. (There's people that don't like The Beatles, The Eagles,Led Zep, and even (heavens!) the Ramones. Life goes on.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 15, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2008 John Lee Hooker liked them. (There's people that don't like The Beatles, The Eagles,Led Zep, and even (heavens!) the Ramones. Life goes on.) No way. I'm pretty sure everyone likes the Ramones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members indigo_dave Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 I stumbled on the double album "Livin' The Blues" in my youth (around 1968). It was a fresh and new sound - to me at that time. I was 15. I used to sometimes buy "Hit Parader" magazine back then. I remember reading a little piece by Bob Hite (the Bear). As I remember it, he told a story of the band playing in some southern town and he and Alan Wilson rented a car to drive a couple hundred miles someplace to search out some old records. He said (again, as I remember it) that Alan Wilson had several thousand old blues records in his collection. These guys were a new sound to a young baby boomer. About a year later I bought "Fathers and Sons" by Muddy Waters, Mike Bloomfield, Otis Spann, and others. A GREAT record. Canned Heat were the "gateway drug" for this. I just think you have to judge Canned Heat in the context of their times and in that context I think they were great. They were part of a blues as a quasi-religion thing back then. I don't think they were consiously steeling. But stealing and borrowing has always been part of any art form. Again, I think their stuff still stands up. Alan Wilson commited suicide with drugs. Seems like he was one of the early casualties of that whole scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Magpel Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 Well, well, it has just come as news to me that Larry Taylor--yes, THAT Larry Taylor, Tom Waits' usual bass player--was in Canned Heat. I didn't know that. Bully bully. Larry Taylor's all right in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 15, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2008 Well, well, it has just come as news to me that Larry Taylor--yes, THAT Larry Taylor, Tom Waits' usual bass player--was in Canned Heat. I didn't know that. Bully bully. Larry Taylor's all right in my book. That is news to me too. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Magpel Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 No way. I'm pretty sure everyone likes the Ramones. Actually...you can count me as one of the few who remains unmoved. Can't say why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 15, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2008 gabba gabba what?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cry Logic Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Well well well ... I stand corrected on the Led Zep/Willie Dixon thang..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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