Members jw10 Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 http://altoona.craigslist.org/msg/3058075617.html Is this for real? wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Trick Fall Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Yes, it's a real model. It was designed by Kurt Cobain. I believe his intent was to make a part Mustang, part Jaguar hybrid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Jag-Stang A lot of folks like them, but personally I think they're ugly as sin. Still, they have some of the sweetest, thinnest necks (in terms of depth) that Fender has ever made. So do most of the 94-95 MIJ Mustangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lou Speed Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lou Speed Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I think they look cool but I probably wouldn't like how they feel. Aren't they short scale? I don't think Cobain was even that happy with how they turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Texas Noise Factory Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 Alternate reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jw10 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 Alternate reality. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Trick Fall Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I love mine. I've written more tunes on it then all the other guitars I've owned combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I think they look cool but I probably wouldn't like how they feel. Aren't they short scale? I don't think Cobain was even that happy with how they turned out. 24" scale, 22 fret necks - just like the Mustang, although Mustangs made before the early 70s were also offered with a 22.5" scale, 21 fret neck as an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jw10 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 Yes, it's a real model. It was designed by Kurt Cobain. I believe his intent was to make a part Mustang, part Jaguar hybrid.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Jag-StangA lot of folks like them, but personally I think they're ugly as sin. Still, they have some of the sweetest, thinnest necks (in terms of depth) that Fender has ever made. So do most of the 94-95 MIJ Mustangs. thanks for verifying phil, I can't see how anyone would want that atrocity of a design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PKTrono Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 a friend of mine has (had?) one. really strange looking guitar, but i grew to dig it just for being a bit offalso it sounded pretty cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members penelope twee Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 A lot of folks like them, but personally I think they're ugly as sin. Still, they have some of the sweetest, thinnest necks (in terms of depth) that Fender has ever made. So do most of the 94-95 MIJ Mustangs. Interesting. Are MIJ/CIJ Mustang necks from a given year generally the same as a Jaguar neck of the same vintage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Interesting. Are MIJ/CIJ Mustang necks from a given year generally the same as a Jaguar neck of the same vintage? I can't say with certainty, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're made from the same neck blanks. The scale length and number of frets is the same. However, it also wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're done differently, or kept separate. While Fender USA used the same necks for Musicmaster IIs, Duo Sonic IIs and Mustangs for several years in the 60s, Jag necks were different, and were stamped with different codes. They'll all still work interchangeably though. You can put a Mustang neck on a Jaguar, or vise versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members penelope twee Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I can't say with certainty, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're made from the same neck blanks. The scale length and number of frets is the same. However, it also wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're done differently, or kept separate. While Fender USA used the same necks for Musicmaster IIs, Duo Sonic IIs and Mustangs for several years in the 60s, Jag necks were different, and were stamped with different codes. They'll all still work interchangeably though. You can put a Mustang neck on a Jaguar, or vise versa. Cool. I think I've read in the past that you prefer thin necks, what Fender/Squier short scale neck of recent times is most to your liking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Cool. I think I've read in the past that you prefer thin necks, what Fender/Squier short scale neck of recent times is most to your liking? That one. The '94 MIJ Mustang. Too bad the body wood for those years is basswood. But the necks? Fantastic! What I like is a thin C profile. I like standard B width (1 5/8") necks, but I prefer the front to back distance be fairly shallow, and the "shoulders" of the neck to be thinner, as opposed to a U shaped profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Texas Noise Factory Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I always thought they looked great in sonic blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SonicMayhem42 Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I like mine. The necks are great on them and I like the Mustang bridge. It the radius makes it difficult to use an ebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't think Cobain was even that happy with how they turned out. He wasn't. It doesn't even vaguely resemble his notes/drawings/pictures on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I've played a really awesome Fiesta Red Jagstang. And I've played a pretty terrible blue one. I think they look nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 He wasn't. It doesn't even vaguely resemble his notes/drawings/pictures on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GreaserMatt Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'd pick one up if I could get it cheap, but $600 is way too much dough; esp right now; it seems to be a buyers market right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 OK, maybe vaguely: But seriously, what happened? He wanted the top half to look like a Jag, and the bottom to look like a Mustang. I think they took his poor drawings a bit too literally. First picture looks kinda hot, especially if they would've went with the Jag trem. Same designer as the Firebird X, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 No, it's really pretty much his design, the way he shaped it. They have (or at least had) a bunch of the Jagstang development stuff (including that first drawing / mockup I posted) on display at the Fender Museum in Corona. The fiesta red prototype was over there, along with all Kurt's drawings, his cardboard full-sized mockups, etc. I have not been over there in a while, and they constantly update the place, so it might not still be up. I don't think it turned out as well as he had hoped it would. Maybe he would have gotten the kinks worked out, or they could have refined the design more had he lived, but I don't think he was totally satisfied with it. Whether that dissatisfaction was partially aesthetically related, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 No, it's really pretty much his design, the way he shaped it. They have (or at least had) a bunch of the Jagstang development stuff (including that first drawing / mockup I posted) on display at the Fender Museum in Corona. The fiesta red prototype was over there, along with all Kurt's drawings, his cardboard full-sized mockups, etc. I have not been over there in a while, and they constantly update the place, so it might not still be up. I don't think it turned out as well as he had hoped it would. Maybe he would have gotten the kinks worked out, or they could have refined the design more had he lived, but I don't think he was totally satisfied with it. Whether that dissatisfaction was partially aesthetically related, I have no idea. I have to head over there one day and do the tour. Did they have the pictures I posted as well? I think you're right, it was just incredibly unrefined. I read that one of his biggest problems with it was that it had no belly cut or forearm cut. Unfortunately he died, and they released what seems like a prototype to the unsuspecting masses. That upper horn and the misshapen butt just kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShortScaleMike Posted June 21, 2012 Members Share Posted June 21, 2012 I used to own a Sonic Blue one, a 1995 one as I recall. I loved the way it looked but could never get on with how bassy and wooly the bridge pickup was. It sounded really crap and undefined which surprised me seeing as Cobains sounds were definitely more edgy. Trying everything to correct it - slapped in a variety of replacements, straightened the bridge pickup route to line up the strings under the polepieces, replaced pots with 1megs, even bypassed the pots - still couldn't get the attack and brightness I wanted. Eventually sold it at a loss after all the worked I'd done and got a Jaguar, then a Mustang. Never looked back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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