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  • #16
    I used a Johnson JM-250 rig with matching 412 cab years ago. That thing could do all kinds of crazy cool stuff. Was it just like a tube amp. Not quite, but close enough no one could tell.

    And I now run direct with an 11R. So yes nothing wrong with solid state.
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    • #17
      A buddy sold me a Music Man 65 head for $50. The thing is in mint condition and I replaces the tubes with the 6CA7 reissues instead of the EL34's many of the amps had to be converted to. The amp has a tone very similar to a Fender amp except for the SS preamp which does give it a solid front end.

      Many like Mike Knopfler, Clapton, Johnny Winter, Blue Oyster Cult and many others have used those amps live and recorded. When I compare it to my Blackface Bassman I'd have to say the Bassman does have better fidelity. The highs are more transparent and the bass has a warmer tone. Harmonics are definitely superior.

      I do have some other heads like my Marshall Valvestate that uses a preamp tube for gain. I tried out a half dozen different tubes and they really don't make much difference in tone so I suspect the amp uses a low voltage starved tube circuit and it just colors the sound a little for some tube like preamp drive. Its not the same as a High voltage tube overdrive which is a whole lot better sounding because there's more compression, less noise and better highs.

      I can say a tube preamp SS power amp vs. SS preamp and Power tube does produce different results. I run the Marshall and Music Man together and even with the Marshall on a 4X12 cab and the MM on a 4X10 cab, the 65W Music Man can bury the Marshall which is a 100W head. (so can my Bassman which is rated for 50W)

      If I had to choose one over the other it would be a tough call. The Mosfets in the Marshall create about the closest thing to power tube tone out there and the tone stacking is superb. I don't use the drive channels much because its a one trick pony for drive tones. I have a governor pedal on my board and several other pedals for drive and I get a wider range of tones using those. (I'm an old plexi guy who prefers the amp to be cleaner anyway)

      The Music Man's tone stacking is a bit dated. It does get the fender tone but the overdriven tones aren't that impressive. I usually set my clean tone then just dial in a tad of drive gain and get the rest from the pedals. It gets allot of power punch that way and I have no problem getting several decent tones from it.

      I guess by using both its like having a combination of tube and solid state amps running together except the preamps are cross wired. If the MM had an effects loop I could probably cross the preamps and have a full tube and SS amp.

      I'd still choose a full tube amp over a hybrid or SS amp of any kind, just because the fidelity is better, but having all the effects loops, direct recoding, channel switching etc. is a big bonus many older tube amps never had. If its a newer head that does have those options then the extra cost for a good tube amp is worth it. Its all about how that speaker gets pushed. SS tends to hang back inside the speaker box more and lack the dynamic punch and headroom of tubes.

      You're just dealing with more voltage and current in a tube amp and you can make the guitar strings go from a whisper to full throttle with an easier touch. Its like comparing my Mustang 5.0 to the Ford Ranger I used to have. Both get you there but man you know there's a 420HP engine in there even if you aren't using it. The pedal response is pretty much 1:1. When you do stomp it you realize how much power reserve there is. I could floor the Ranger and just meet the normal acceleration of traffic but I'd have that same acceleration with the pedal half way down.

      That's kind of how I rate a tube vs. SS amp. The SS will get you there but you really have to work your dynamic skills hard to get the best out of them. Tubes only need a little increase in playing dynamics and you get a big jump in power from the amp.

      Both can be equally loud, its just the dynamic slope of a SS tends to be linear and the Tubes seem to have a curved dynamic response.

      They can match the fidelity and much of the overdriven tones with SS, but they still need to mimic the dynamic string touch of a tube amp, If that could build some kind of compression into the power stage (not the preamp) to mimic power tubes and transformer you'll have a whole lot of people retiring their heavy tube amps. Until then the technology is still alive and well.

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      • #18
        I've been gigging my Marshall MG100HDFX a lot lately. It sounds KILLER through my Lopoline 2x12 cabinet with Celestion Vintage 30s.
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        - John Lennon
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        • #19
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          "Life is what happens to you while you are busy making other plans..."
          - John Lennon
          Videos of me playing guitar!

          My original music


          Stupid, meaningless HC clubs I'm a PROUD member of:
          Epiphone Empire
          F-Holes (Semi-Hollow and Hollowbody owners)
          Marshall Circle of Tone
          SG ARMY

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          • #20
            I played through a Fender Stage 100 with a Sunn Consert Slave for eight years. The other guitarist in the band played a modded JCM 900. I wouldn't say I had a better tone, but volume wise I ate him alive and the tone was good. Plus it never gave me any problems where as the 900 **************** the bed three times.

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            • #21
              If it sounds good loud/mic'd up, use it! I've used both SS and Tube live and I've never had any complaints about MY tone. The only hecklers will be the other bands playing with you, "oh, you use an SS amp..... the diodes man, the diodes" but that's a few of the many........... so unless you're playing to a crowd of gear snob/musicians (which is likely the case for your first few gigs, lol- "I GUARANTEE 15-20 peoples will show") you shouldn't have a problem. Even then the other bands will likely have crap for amplifiers as not everyone frequents the HC.com boards and couldn't tell a marshall MG from a JCM.. as long as it says MRSHALSZ on it.

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              • #22
                I switched from heavier all tube amps to a Marshall JMD 50H + Marshall 1912 cab and my pedalboard. For really small venues, I use a Vox Valvetronics AD30VT. Next step down will be a Quilter Toneblock 200 and Tech 21 Fly Rig 5 into the Marshall 1912.
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                • #23
                  GIG ? . . . NO

                  Want one ? . . . YES

                  Iam looking into something like a Randall T2 or V2 hybrid .
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                  • #24
                    Peavey Bandit. Love it!!!

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