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  • Originally posted by Bob Savage


    http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=975436


    LOL so not only is Carl refusing to send out the $400 he owes, but now is is starting his "bankrupt" amp business back up what a guy
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    • Nice!!!!
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      • the shame is, the vintage rock clip sounds quite good.
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        • I couldn't agree more.


          F/S $1200.

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          • Originally posted by Big Hair


            LOL so not only is Carl refusing to send out the $400 he owes, but now is is starting his "bankrupt" amp business back up what a guy


            Whats kind of incredible to me, is that he *has* to be getting help. As someone who defended him before, I guess I'm to blame a little, too. But after all the bad press this bitch has gotten, there are people (for instance JBTubehead, who seems like a decent guy) who still feel the need to help him out.

            Do the amps sound good? The one I have does, even though I'm pretty sure I'm gonna sell it. (Never heard the 2nd gen ones that were getting bashed). But its not like this is the only boutique amp that sounds good. And hell, for those prices, there are reliable big-name amps with more features that sound just as good - For instance this Mesa Lonestar Special I bought, for the same price as the Zwengel I tried to order, but with a beautiful reverb, more tone options *and* a GUARANTEE that I can get it repaired. You think Zwengel is gonna honor the 10-year warranty if my Banshee dies? If you can't be trusted, why should you expect people to help you out?

            I'm thinking, if I were in this dude's shoes, I would have come here and made a "statement", even if it was to say "Grubgoat is a total liar, everything he's said is trash". To me, the fact that he just dropped off the face of the internet for a while, and only speaks thorugh third-party supporters, says something...
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            • Grubgoat,

              I totally understand what happened to you. A year was too long to wait for an amp. I also know the other side of the story, where Carl went through a lot of different transformer prototypes and circuit design changes just to make your 20w Banshee sound as good as the 50 watters. At the time, he was seriously thinking about making the 20w model available, based on the final design of your amp.

              I think the communication between you two was the not the best it could've been. A phone call every now and then might have helped, or not. Who knows? But when you called him out on this very public forum, he got defensive and angry, and the situation became what it is today....you without an amp and $400 shy of a full refund.

              It's really too bad that Carl got into it with you, Duffy, Snider, and some others. You need to resolve this one way or another; both of you do. My advice is to call the guy and talk to him, instead of trying to call him out here.

              Best of luck,
              John Bridges,

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              • Originally posted by JBTubehead
                Grubgoat,



                I think the communication between you two was the not the best it could've been. A phone call every now and then might have helped, or not. Who knows? But when you called him out on this very public forum, he got defensive and angry, and the situation became what it is today....you without an amp and $400 shy of a full refund.


                I don't know JB....calling the guy doesn't help when he feeds you a line of BS every time. Do you have any idea how many times I called Carl and he would tell me my amp was shipping (or my cabinet, or casters or....)?
                I waited and waited and waited.....If I didn't confront him I'd still be waiting.
                I'm glad you haven't had any bad dealing with Carl yet....but don't be suprised when you do. I understand you trying to help the guy out....hell I tried to help him out too with clips and taking his amps to Ampfest....but he's pissed off quite a few people and does not tell the truth. There are class acts out there like Peter Diezel, Mike Soldano, Doug Roccaforte and James Peters who do things the right way. I know from experience that those manufacturers I just mentioned will bend over backwards to be sure you are happy with their product. Thats why they have the reputations they do...and the success that comes with it. Carl should take a lesson from these guys....he has a hell of a lot to learn about running a business.
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                • So, I guess its not right to out the man unless he wants it done, but Lenduffy tells me there is *another* Zwengel supporter who's gotten screwed. If this is true, its better to let people know.

                  If it was just me, then I could see people saying "get over it". BUT, if the people defending him are even dropping too, when they had been telling people its okay to give Zwengel their money... I don't know, rather than saying "I told you so", I just wish someone would back me up on avoiding Zwengel... the point of the thread was to warn people, not keep it in the dark and let others get screwed...
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                  • Well, I'm done. I'm getting a Shiva. Can I get some A-1 sauce from somebody? It's makes eating crow a lot easier.

                    GearPage thread

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                    • Originally posted by JBTubehead
                      Well, I'm done. I'm getting a Shiva. Can I get some A-1 sauce from somebody? It's makes eating crow a lot easier.

                      GearPage thread


                      Wait a minute here, weren't you the last standing Zwengel supporter? What's up with the crow?
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                      • Just add me to the list of former users.

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                        • Uh oh.
                          <div class="signaturecontainer"><font size="2"><font color="CRIMSON"><b>I defy you to get a convincing death or black metal vocal down perfectly in one week if you think its so easy. It will never happen because you lack the years of practice needed to aquire such a skill. - DaevasAsmodeus</b></font><br />
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                          • Originally posted by JBTubehead
                            Just add me to the list of former users.


                            Oh, now THAT's no fun. Well, I'll ask again after you sell your amps.
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                            • Sorry JB....it was bound to happen.

                              FWIW...I've dealt with JB on a couple different transactions, and he's been nothing but a complete gentleman. I'm sorry he had to deal with crap from CZ.
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                              Out gunned and out numbered but we wouldn't run,<br />
                              No mercy no quarter they'll pay for their sins,<br />
                              Now lower the cannons the battle begins!</div>

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                              • I understand, and completely sympathize with you guys.

                                F/S $1,200

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