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  • I've just in this week had my first glitchy issue with my Motif. It has served me well for years now, but it's probably time to replace it. So I'm looking into an XS right now. I don't think I need to bother with the XF as, even though I do use samples, I'm not bothered by the extra upload time the XS takes because it doesn't store the samples on board.



    As far as I can tell, the on board flash memory is the only difference between the two?
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    • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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      I've just in this week had my first glitchy issue with my Motif. It has served me well for years now, but it's probably time to replace it. So I'm looking into an XS right now. I don't think I need to bother with the XF as, even though I do use samples, I'm not bothered by the extra upload time the XS takes because it doesn't store the samples on board.



      As far as I can tell, the on board flash memory is the only difference between the two?








      What kind of glitches?

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      • Quote Originally Posted by rhat
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        What kind of glitches?




        When using a patch that is a few different sounds layered together part of my sound (not all the layers) just disappeared.



        Happened Friday during rehearsal. I pushed a few buttons and the patch came back up. Happened Saturday during a gig, and I couldn't get it to come back up. Only happened once both days, but my experience with such glitches are that A) they happen more frequently as time goes on, and B) no matter how frequently they happen at gigs, they NEVER happen for the repair dude.
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        • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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          When using a patch that is a few different sounds layered together part of my sound (not all the layers) just disappeared.



          Happened Friday during rehearsal. I pushed a few buttons and the patch came back up. Happened Saturday during a gig, and I couldn't get it to come back up. Only happened once both days, but my experience with such glitches are that A) they happen more frequently as time goes on, and B) no matter how frequently they happen at gigs, they NEVER happen for the repair dude.






          Yup electronic **************** is like that.... if you need it ,, ya better ditch that board and move on. But then that is one of the reasons why i am a little on the edge about buying a used board as a back up and home rig. I might be buying someone elses problems. You know damb well guys just trade them in .

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          • I would definately buy used for a backup. I buy a lot of used stuff anyway. Pretty much everything in my rack and my 2nd stage board are all used. In fact, the Motif I use now is probably the only piece of gear I use that I bought new.



            But seeing that it is my MAIN board, I will almost certainly buy a brand new one. They replaced the XS with the XF a few months back so they've dropped the price of the XS by a few hundred bucks. And there's still plenty of new ones around it seems.
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            • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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              I would definately buy used for a backup. I buy a lot of used stuff anyway. Pretty much everything in my rack and my 2nd stage board are all used. In fact, the Motif I use now is probably the only piece of gear I use that I bought new.



              But seeing that it is my MAIN board, I will almost certainly buy a brand new one. They replaced the XS with the XF a few months back so they've dropped the price of the XS by a few hundred bucks. And there's still plenty of new ones around it seems.






              I am looking for a RD300sx used now ,, they are pretty hard to find. Its a pretty sweet board ,, dirt ass simple .. light as hell for an 88 , and with a light action. I hate to buy a RD300gx due to the fact that I like the action of the sx better. I got a buddy in austin that has band member that works at a big music store on the hunt for me.. hopfully one turns up. Hate lugging my board up the stairs at my house. the curse of living on the coast ,, everything is one flight up due to insurance issues.

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              • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                I would definately buy used for a backup. I buy a lot of used stuff anyway. Pretty much everything in my rack and my 2nd stage board are all used. In fact, the Motif I use now is probably the only piece of gear I use that I bought new.



                But seeing that it is my MAIN board, I will almost certainly buy a brand new one. They replaced the XS with the XF a few months back so they've dropped the price of the XS by a few hundred bucks. And there's still plenty of new ones around it seems.




                I demoed the XS, heavily, and still didn't like it enough to replace my ES.

                Haven't tried the XF yet, though.
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                • Quote Originally Posted by cooterbrown
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                  I demoed the XS, heavily, and still didn't like it enough to replace my ES.

                  Haven't tried the XF yet, though.




                  Well, I'm going from a Motif "Classic", so the upgrade is much more substantial. I don't know that the XF actually sounds or plays any differently than the XS. It has on board flash memory and some more user banks. But I think everything else is pretty much the same.



                  My biggest "yuk" is going to be that (I at least presume) I won't be able to load my current voices into the XS, so I'll be starting from scratch to create all my patches.
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                  • ...i have no trouble finding keyboardists, i have trouble finding one who knows how to STOP playing when the song calls for it.



                    good players are known for what they play, GREAT players are known for what they DONT play.
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by JDRock
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                      good players are known for what they play, GREAT players are known for what they DONT play.




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                      • Quote Originally Posted by JDRock
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                        ...i have no trouble finding keyboardists, i have trouble finding one who knows how to STOP playing when the song calls for it.



                        good players are known for what they play, GREAT players are known for what they DONT play.




                        That is far more true of guitar players than for keyboard players. Just because most of the repertoire is written by and for guitars doesn't mean that the role of a keyboard player should be just to fill in for the few songs selected mostly for variety.



                        I've seen CL ads where the guy filling the keyboard chair is asked to double on guitar or even percussion.



                        Guitar players tend to think that rock, blues (and a number of other genres) is all about them. Keyboards dominate R&B and synthpop. Wouldn't it be nice to select and arrange music based on who you've got in the band, rather than default to a style that marginalizes one of the members.

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by JDRock
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                          ...i have no trouble finding keyboardists, i have trouble finding one who knows how to STOP playing when the song calls for it.




                          I can appreciate this comment. As a keyboard who tends to be a little busy if left to his own devices - the comment strikes close to home. My playing is rooted in trying to emulate the two fisted R&B piano player types - which means that I like playing parts that have a flow to them.



                          When I listen to a tune - it's the churning rhythm stuff that jumps out at me as the "meat and potatoes" of the tune - and not the stab parts and wispy melody lines that characterize alot of the more current stuff today.



                          Bottom line is - I'm cognizant of my tendency to overplay - and try to keep it in check.



                          In situations when the keyboard player IS overplaying - JDRock's comment is an accurate observation. Like most situations - there may be another perspective.



                          As a keyboard player - I can't tell you how many times I've found myself working with a new group and have been playing parts "like the record" - only to have the tune stopped to have the guitar player explain to me that I need to lay out of the passage because he always "does this little guitar thing" there. Or find that the cool keyboard rhythm part that I hear as prominent on the original has to be replaced with simplified organ/pad chords played in the background because the guitar player is plowing a chunky rhythm groove that totally fills the pattern.



                          My point is - yes, there are those keyboard players who have a tendency to overplay - but there are plenty of instances that the keyboard player who is accused of overplaying is really only guilty of not staying far enough out the guitar player's way to keep the guitar player happy.
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                          • Quote Originally Posted by JDRock
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                            ...i have no trouble finding keyboardists, i have trouble finding one who knows how to STOP playing when the song calls for it.



                            good players are known for what they play, GREAT players are known for what they DONT play.




                            The same goes for guitar players.
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                            • Quote Originally Posted by JDRock
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                              ...i have no trouble finding keyboardists, i have trouble finding one who knows how to STOP playing when the song calls for it.



                              good players are known for what they play, GREAT players are known for what they DONT play.




                              That's true for anybody who plays an instrument.

                              Ever heard a harmonica player who feels the need to continuously play and cover every hole?

                              Ugh!
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                              • I think it comes down to there is a major difference between say a solo piano act and playing keyboards in a band. we do a jam night on sundays and I on an occasions get a solo keyboard type that uses my board to sit in with the band. Now alot of those guys are what i consider better players from a technical point of view, but really dont play with band as well. They are used to having to cover bass , rhythm and melody and can end up mr busy fingers in a band situation. What they are playing is cool but tends to clutter the mix.

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