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  • Is it still harmonies vs. Subs? My advice is buy subs and then buy some harmonies with the spare change. Then nitpick the crap out of those things. Harmony is THE #1 thing that separates a good band from an okay band.
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    • Is it still harmonies vs. Subs? My advice is buy subs and then buy some harmonies with the spare change. Then nitpick the crap out of those things. Harmony is THE #1 thing that separates a good band from an okay band.
      <div class="signaturecontainer">Free prog-related metal from Michigan.<br />
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      • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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        To show that the bands that end up being the most successful are the ones who just get out there and ****************ing do it. They get the gigs and they get better because the gigs demand it. They don't spend their lives in the basement fretting about whether every scale and arpeggio is perfectly understood and anunciated or whether the band is as tight as the band down the street.



        They just do it. They get out there and entertain and energize the audience with every tool at their disposal. Musicianship included, but not even necessarily prioritized. It's rock and roll.




        This is spot on. Not everyone works best under pressure though. I certainly do. My bandmates are more the seasoning types. Don't play it out until it's perfect. I'm more the "we WILL play this at the next show, so it had better be ready" type. I am the one giving that message, but I'm probably the one who needs that extra kick/deadline the most. Different strokes.
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        • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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          To show that the bands that end up being the most successful are the ones who just get out there and ****************ing do it. They get the gigs and they get better because the gigs demand it. They don't spend their lives in the basement fretting about whether every scale and arpeggio is perfectly understood and anunciated or whether the band is as tight as the band down the street.



          They just do it. They get out there and entertain and energize the audience with every tool at their disposal. Musicianship included, but not even necessarily prioritized. It's rock and roll.




          This is spot on. Not everyone works best under pressure though. I certainly do. My bandmates are more the seasoning types. Don't play it out until it's perfect. I'm more the "we WILL play this at the next show, so it had better be ready" type. I am the one giving that message, but I'm probably the one who needs that extra kick/deadline the most. Different strokes.
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          • Practice makes permanent, not perfect, but that applies to playing gigs. How many times have you heard a group playing a song and you got the impression that they thought, "well, the audience liked it, so it must be good enough." So they move on to the next group of songs. . . .



            The most important reason to get gigs is to keep at least some of the guys in the band together and motivated (and, in some cases, solvent.)



            You can't stop and correct things at a gig.

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            • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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              ~sigh~ what part of it isn't a either/or deal is so hard for anyone to understand. You can practice WITH subs! Or practice with the lights sitting out in the van waiting for the next gig!



              Read back through these 9 pages and show where ANYONE has even loosely IMPLIED that any of that stuff PRECLUDES practicing. No one has said it. No has implied it. Why? Because no one believes it. So why are you continually posting as if someone HAS said it?



              I'm at a loss here. Really.




              ^^^This is when the logic starts to get really awesome.
              Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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              • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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                ^^^This is when the logic starts to get really awesome.




                I didn't wade through this redundant thread. But I see no logic errors there. Maybe it's where it start to devolve into what it always does. But in that post, I don't get it.
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                • Here's a crazy idea.



                  1: buy subs

                  2: practice

                  3: ???????

                  4: profit.
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                  • Quote Originally Posted by SLScott86
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                    I'm more the "we WILL play this at the next show, so it had better be ready" type. I am the one giving that message, but I'm probably the one who needs that extra kick/deadline the most. Different strokes.




                    Yeah, that's me as well and I too sometimes end up being the one who needs the kick. We've got a wedding coming up on NYE and in addition to the 2 songs we agreed to learn for the event, I told the band I wanted to scrap the bland Auld Lang Syne sing-along we usually do at midnight and do a more purposed version of it, ala the Mariah Carey version and that we probably can't avoid doing Gangnam Style any longer and I want to add a couple of choruses of that to the end of a medley we do. None of which I really have time to work on this week. I'll probably be the least-prepared guy showing up to rehearsal this weekend.
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by StratGuy22
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                      Here's a crazy idea.



                      1: buy subs

                      2: practice

                      3: ???????

                      4: profit.




                      This. I didn't hear the kick. Solution: subs. It could have been tighter. Solution: practice. I have no clue how this became an argument debating the merits of two things that couldn't be much less in conflict. It's like arguing between driving your car and buying groceries.
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                      • That reminds me, I need to learn Go your Own Way for NYE. No problemo. I'm in the city so it will be playing on my radio back to back until I know it. Then I'll learn it tomorrow.











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                        • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                          Practice makes permanent, not perfect, but that applies to playing gigs.




                          Very true. It's gigging a song where things become "locked in"---good, bad or otherwise. But unless someone is actually playing something dissonent I rarely find the need to pull a song back into rehearsal to work something out. It's from repeated gigging where a song "becomes our own"--where we're just playing it rather than focused on somebody else's recorded version of it.



                          Related note: Funny how songs stray over time as well. Who here probably hasn't listened to a recording after gigging a song for awhile only to be astonished by how different the record sounds? But rarely do I ever hear something that I think---"oh, we're not doing that bit right. We need to go back and fix that". I like that evolution that songs take. I'm not that interested in bands who feel they need to sound just like a recording. That's what DJs are for.
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                          https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
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                          • Quote Originally Posted by StratGuy22
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                            That reminds me, I need to learn Go your Own Way for NYE. No problemo. I'm in the city so it will be playing on my radio back to back until I know it. Then I'll learn it tomorrow.




                            Yep. I do most of my 'learning' by listening as well. A job that keeps me driving a lot helps with that for sure. Now if I could only figure out a way to program patches and sounds from my car....



                            ...is there an app for that?
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                            http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                            https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                            https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                            http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                            • Quote Originally Posted by roamingbard13
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                              The band I play with has come a long way in the 2 years since we started. We were all rookies, and in the last 12 months have played in 7 new venues and have been offered rebooks in all of them.



                              I think we are at a turning point -- from a music and crowd standpoint, we think we are ready to increase our asking rate. However, I feel like we also probably need to invest in our band set-up at this point.



                              What are the most "value-added" things we can do? Adding subs? Lights? A banner? OR -- do we raise our asking price and hire out sound and lights?



                              Say we had $1000 start with -- what should we do first? (I know it's chicken feed for most of y'all, but I work two other jobs and my wife is in grad school, our lead singer is a student, our drummer is a parent of 2...you get the picture). We'll likely be able to add this kind of money every 6 months or so.




                              Hire out sound and lights. Put all your energies into making your band as good as it can be. Don't worry about the mechanics of sound systems and what gel is right for back lighting at this point. Put all your energies into being great.



                              In doing that... you'll find yourselves standing apart from your competition.



                              (just an opinion)
                              Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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                              • "raising your asking price and hire out sound and lights" might not be quite as simple as just doing that. Few venues are going to pay you a couple of hundred extra to cover your rental fee if they can get a self-contained band for the original price.



                                You really need to understand the marketplace you're working in. As far as what specific things you most need to do/add to get more money? That can be pretty easily determined just by looking at the differences between what the top-dollar acts in your market are doing vs. what you're doing. With bands that are making money, most of the things they do they do for a reason. There isn't a band in the world who wouldn't rather hassle with less gear. But if having a certain sound/look is what translates into more $$$, you can pretty much count on there being bands willing to do that stuff. You either step up yourself to compete, or you look for ways to get around the standard market demands and still be an act that has value to the client.
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                                http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                                https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                                https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                                http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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