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  • I watched the 2 vids. I'd spend the money on a better promo vid (best roi all around) and rehearsals. There's no energy in the band, no drive. When you play you should be defining the performance space and dance area in front. All the vids I saw there was a table right in front of the band. Clear space, add lighting to the band. Add decent PA that will separate you from the audience.



    Tune the damn drums too, they sound bad.



    I'm just rambling here so take this with a grain of salt. The band needs personality and a focal point too. The girl singer definitely helps with that, utilize her and make her a real part of the band. Your band isn't a collection of songs but you're entertaining people whether you know it or not. Own the entertaining, don't be the secondary,"oh the band in the corner is playing a song I kinda like". People will respond to music the don't even like much if its played with conviction. That's what you need is conviction. And between songs you still need to hold the audiences attention, so keep between song time to an absolute minimum and best if none at all.



    Hope that helps. You may find some band members resistant to this change, fire them.
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    • I watched the 2 vids. I'd spend the money on a better promo vid (best roi all around) and rehearsals. There's no energy in the band, no drive. When you play you should be defining the performance space and dance area in front. All the vids I saw there was a table right in front of the band. Clear space, add lighting to the band. Add decent PA that will separate you from the audience.



      Tune the damn drums too, they sound bad.



      I'm just rambling here so take this with a grain of salt. The band needs personality and a focal point too. The girl singer definitely helps with that, utilize her and make her a real part of the band. Your band isn't a collection of songs but you're entertaining people whether you know it or not. Own the entertaining, don't be the secondary,"oh the band in the corner is playing a song I kinda like". People will respond to music the don't even like much if its played with conviction. That's what you need is conviction. And between songs you still need to hold the audiences attention, so keep between song time to an absolute minimum and best if none at all.



      Hope that helps. You may find some band members resistant to this change, fire them.
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        • Yikes.
          Music, music, I hear music
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          • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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            Of course! And after watching the OP's video I feel he's jumping the gun by getting "subs". He showed the videos for a reason. I'm glad he did. The lack of lower octave from the PA was far less of an issue than the unpolished stage presence. Plain and simple. Subs won't fix that. So apparently I am not stating the obvious. And I really think it needs to be said. They have some work to do before attracting bigger fish, gig-wise. Looking at the audience and sharing a good time with them is far more powerful than a banner. Wowing them with some tight harmony actually has a bigger impact that chase lighting.



            I'm not just playing hard to get along with. I think by concerning themselves with this other stuff before the essentials are fully in place is a mistake that won't help them even in the short run. OK... I'll stop.




            I joined a photography class back in 1979. One of the folks in the class was a doctor with better equipment than the instructor, and the instructor had darned nice stuff. We did some classroom stuff and a lot of photo field trips. Out of 10 people in the class, this doctor with the nice equipment took the worst photos. He had NO eye, but he could afford good stuff.



            A lot of people get into the whole scene and satisfy their GAS, but they just don't have - or refuse to take - the time to sing or play well. They need one of those instant Matrix mind dumps. One of the guys I work with can't play guitar, but he has several really nice ones and plans to take lessons eventually. He's in his sixties. :P
            "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

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            • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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              Of course! And after watching the OP's video I feel he's jumping the gun by getting "subs". He showed the videos for a reason. I'm glad he did. The lack of lower octave from the PA was far less of an issue than the unpolished stage presence. Plain and simple. Subs won't fix that. So apparently I am not stating the obvious. And I really think it needs to be said. They have some work to do before attracting bigger fish, gig-wise. Looking at the audience and sharing a good time with them is far more powerful than a banner. Wowing them with some tight harmony actually has a bigger impact that chase lighting.



              I'm not just playing hard to get along with. I think by concerning themselves with this other stuff before the essentials are fully in place is a mistake that won't help them even in the short run. OK... I'll stop.




              I joined a photography class back in 1979. One of the folks in the class was a doctor with better equipment than the instructor, and the instructor had darned nice stuff. We did some classroom stuff and a lot of photo field trips. Out of 10 people in the class, this doctor with the nice equipment took the worst photos. He had NO eye, but he could afford good stuff.



              A lot of people get into the whole scene and satisfy their GAS, but they just don't have - or refuse to take - the time to sing or play well. They need one of those instant Matrix mind dumps. One of the guys I work with can't play guitar, but he has several really nice ones and plans to take lessons eventually. He's in his sixties. :P
              "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

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              • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                I think the point here is that it is possible to get sidetracked by an obsession with equipment upgrades. It happened with my old trio, where the guitar player was constantly buying this and readjusting that. It turned out to be an avoidance tactic. Conscious or subconscious I can't say, but we wasted a lot of time that should have been spent on music.



                It doesn't have to work like this, of course, but I know it can happen.




                That is exactly where I'm comig from as well. I've seen it. Heck, I've done it.
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                • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                  I think the point here is that it is possible to get sidetracked by an obsession with equipment upgrades. It happened with my old trio, where the guitar player was constantly buying this and readjusting that. It turned out to be an avoidance tactic. Conscious or subconscious I can't say, but we wasted a lot of time that should have been spent on music.



                  It doesn't have to work like this, of course, but I know it can happen.




                  That is exactly where I'm comig from as well. I've seen it. Heck, I've done it.
                  "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

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                  • Quote Originally Posted by modulusman
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                    If you go back and read the OP he said he had money for upgrades. That is why I said subs. They may need to work on the band harmonies but unless he is going to do something lame and buy a harmonizer you can't buy harmonies you have to work on it.




                    Using a vocal harmonizer might be lame, but I'd rather hear someone use that than sing songs with no harmonies at all. I had to sing every single song in the band I had in 2009 because no one else was able to sing harmony in the group. Sometimes, you have to work with what you have at the moment. Thankfully, I don't have to use it anymore. It was a lot more work to turn it off and on at just the right moment and blend it so that it didn't sound too fake on top of singing all the songs and playing lead guitar on almost every song too (I switched off on bass on a few songs to give the bassist some lead guitar time).
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by modulusman
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                      If you go back and read the OP he said he had money for upgrades. That is why I said subs. They may need to work on the band harmonies but unless he is going to do something lame and buy a harmonizer you can't buy harmonies you have to work on it.




                      Using a vocal harmonizer might be lame, but I'd rather hear someone use that than sing songs with no harmonies at all. I had to sing every single song in the band I had in 2009 because no one else was able to sing harmony in the group. Sometimes, you have to work with what you have at the moment. Thankfully, I don't have to use it anymore. It was a lot more work to turn it off and on at just the right moment and blend it so that it didn't sound too fake on top of singing all the songs and playing lead guitar on almost every song too (I switched off on bass on a few songs to give the bassist some lead guitar time).
                      (This is my Non-Signature.)

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                      • Quote Originally Posted by RobRoy
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                        I joined a photography class back in 1979. One of the folks in the class was a doctor with better equipment than the instructor, and the instructor had darned nice stuff. We did some classroom stuff and a lot of photo field trips. Out of 10 people in the class, this doctor with the nice equipment took the worst photos. He had NO eye, but he could afford good stuff.



                        A lot of people get into the whole scene and satisfy their GAS, but they just don't have - or refuse to take - the time to sing or play well. They need one of those instant Matrix mind dumps. One of the guys I work with can't play guitar, but he has several really nice ones and plans to take lessons eventually. He's in his sixties. :P




                        This is very common in photography. Camera collectors (and "upgraders") are more common than guitar collectors . . . and as you say, there is no correlation between number of tools and your ability to create something.

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by RobRoy
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                          I joined a photography class back in 1979. One of the folks in the class was a doctor with better equipment than the instructor, and the instructor had darned nice stuff. We did some classroom stuff and a lot of photo field trips. Out of 10 people in the class, this doctor with the nice equipment took the worst photos. He had NO eye, but he could afford good stuff.



                          A lot of people get into the whole scene and satisfy their GAS, but they just don't have - or refuse to take - the time to sing or play well. They need one of those instant Matrix mind dumps. One of the guys I work with can't play guitar, but he has several really nice ones and plans to take lessons eventually. He's in his sixties. :P




                          This is very common in photography. Camera collectors (and "upgraders") are more common than guitar collectors . . . and as you say, there is no correlation between number of tools and your ability to create something.

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                          • Quote Originally Posted by RobRoy
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                            I joined a photography class back in 1979. One of the folks in the class was a doctor with better equipment than the instructor, and the instructor had darned nice stuff. We did some classroom stuff and a lot of photo field trips. Out of 10 people in the class, this doctor with the nice equipment took the worst photos. He had NO eye, but he could afford good stuff.



                            A lot of people get into the whole scene and satisfy their GAS, but they just don't have - or refuse to take - the time to sing or play well. They need one of those instant Matrix mind dumps. One of the guys I work with can't play guitar, but he has several really nice ones and plans to take lessons eventually. He's in his sixties. :P




                            Exactly.



                            While in France a few weeks back, I suggested to my daughter that she use this great time in Paris to do a school project in Photography. I bought her a 1000 dollar Nikon last Christmas. A nice SLR. Because she'd really worked at getting good at this. So... some software setting gets haywire on the Nikon. I can't seem to reboot it to get it to work.



                            "Dad, can I borrow your iPhone?"



                            She did the project on my iPhone and (dare I brag on her) her composition and eye for interesting detail is phenomenal. She doesn't need subs... I mean the Nikon. If I'd bought her the Nikon a year before, I doubt she be as good as she is now. I honestly believe having gear that good too soon is a distraction.



                            I played on a cheap ass Crown acoustic and a $19 dollar Japanese no name electric before I moved up to a SG copy. And yes, when I played clubs at age 19, we did have a full scale PA, but we were GOOD. We already had a seasoned show and good chops.



                            Concentrate on the important stuff first.
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                            • Quote Originally Posted by RobRoy
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                              I joined a photography class back in 1979. One of the folks in the class was a doctor with better equipment than the instructor, and the instructor had darned nice stuff. We did some classroom stuff and a lot of photo field trips. Out of 10 people in the class, this doctor with the nice equipment took the worst photos. He had NO eye, but he could afford good stuff.



                              A lot of people get into the whole scene and satisfy their GAS, but they just don't have - or refuse to take - the time to sing or play well. They need one of those instant Matrix mind dumps. One of the guys I work with can't play guitar, but he has several really nice ones and plans to take lessons eventually. He's in his sixties. :P




                              Exactly.



                              While in France a few weeks back, I suggested to my daughter that she use this great time in Paris to do a school project in Photography. I bought her a 1000 dollar Nikon last Christmas. A nice SLR. Because she'd really worked at getting good at this. So... some software setting gets haywire on the Nikon. I can't seem to reboot it to get it to work.



                              "Dad, can I borrow your iPhone?"



                              She did the project on my iPhone and (dare I brag on her) her composition and eye for interesting detail is phenomenal. She doesn't need subs... I mean the Nikon. If I'd bought her the Nikon a year before, I doubt she be as good as she is now. I honestly believe having gear that good too soon is a distraction.



                              I played on a cheap ass Crown acoustic and a $19 dollar Japanese no name electric before I moved up to a SG copy. And yes, when I played clubs at age 19, we did have a full scale PA, but we were GOOD. We already had a seasoned show and good chops.



                              Concentrate on the important stuff first.
                              __________
                              Your god doesn't exist but my god does and he is all loving. If you disagree with me I'll kill you. - Prince Ea

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                              • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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                                Exactly.



                                While in France a few weeks back, I suggested to my daughter that she use this great time in Paris to do a school project in Photography. I bought her a 1000 dollar Nikon. I nice SLR. Because she'd really worked at gotten good at this. So... some setting gets haywire on the Nikon. I can't seem to reboot it to get it to work.



                                "Dad, can I borrow your iPhone?"



                                She did the project on my iPhone and (dare I brag on her) the composition and eye for interesting detail is phenomenal. She doesn't need subs... I mean the Nikon. If I'd bought her the Nikon a year before, I doubt she be as good as she is now. I honestly believe having gear that good too soon is a distraction.



                                I played on a cheap ass crown acoustic and a $19 dollar Japanese no name electric before I moved up to a SG copy. And yes, when I played clubs at age 19, we did have a full scale PA, but we were GOOD. We already had a seasoned show and good chops.



                                Concentrate on the important stuff first.




                                Unless the better gear can somehow make a musician or a photographer WORSE, I can't possibly see the value in suggesting they don't get it or that they do something else "first". It isn't either/or. You can buy subs AND still practice a lot. Either you have an eye for photography or you don't.
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