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  • OT : Work for less pay, but happier? Please share your story

    hi guys, I'm pretty unhappy with my current work, good pay, able to have luxuries in life.

    Been offered a job with big pay cut, a job I "could" like, still enough to pay bills and basic food. Thinking hard about it

    Have any of you been in the same position? Would really love to hear your experience(s) and advice.


  • #2
    I used to make 100% of my income from music, for over 25 years. But now, in regional markets, music is free now. ASCAP does not survey these small markets, so there are no royalties. Cable TV has been so incredibly diluted that it ( ASCAP) only pays pennies ( and even fractions of pennies) on the same type of performances it used to pay dollars. I have music on 3 TV shows, all of it was for free, and the back-end residuals for all 3 combined is less than 2K per year. Thanks a lot Napster. ASCAP ( the largest of the collection agencies) used to care about its members, they dont anymore. They only focus on the interests of major acts now.

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    • #3
      ..Have any of you been..


      I will PM you ;-)
      世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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      • #4
        I worked for a major communications company with a worldwide presence as an engineer. I traveled Europe about 6 months out of the year and made a really, really good salary. Every 2 weeks they were laying off people which meant every 2 weeks you'd hear crying and see people running down the halls hysterically... EVERY OTHER FRIDAY. No two week notice. A little visit to the office from your boss, they deliver the bad news and stand there while you gather your things. It was the most depressing place I ever worked. I vowed my next job I would get a job I enjoyed, regardless of pay. I now make about 1/3 what I was making 15 years ago but am MUCH happier. I also now have the time to play in a band again (which I had to give up before) and there's a lot less stress at my job.

        What's more important to you? Being happy or making money? Sometimes, you just can't have it both ways.

        -Mc
        Response from John from American Musical Supply on why I have received 2 used/damaged Korg M3's and 1 reboxed M3 from Guitar Center (a.k.a. why I'll never buy from AMS again): Footfall wrote:What you're experiencing with these units is the result of our warehouse crew intentionally "overpacking" this product.Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, nanoPAD 2

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        • #5
          You asked for it, and I have a tendency to ramble, so here you go!

          The short story is that my entire career, starting with choice of college major, has been a trade off between money and job satisfaction.

          (1) EE major to do math and physics but with higher earning potential versus degrees in math and/or physics.
          (2) Dropping the idea of a music major early on since the earning potential was too low and I thought I could pursue it as a hobby.
          (3) Dropping the idea of graduate study in patent law or medicine because of lack of interest despite incredible earning gap between Ph.D.'s in EE and patent attorneys and MD's (and the fact that PhD is a higher degree... but I digress).
          (4) Dropping the opportunity to get into top-tier math grad schools after my MS in EE (I had some sponsorship from industrial contacts) mostly due to the extended time it would require to finish a Ph.D. (and honestly fear). In hind sight this contributed significantly to throwing my chances for an academic position out the window.
          (5) After my postdoc in applied math (see - a Ph.D. in EE doing a postdoc in applied math?) I went for the money with an industrial job offer instead of toughing it out and trying to get a second postdoc, build more academic credibility, and go tenure track.
          (6) Never attempting to go back to academia once in industry (20 years later now...).

          Here is a big one:

          (7) Trading off job satisfaction to do the research I enjoy in my industrial job rather than going for a program manager or technical manager job. I am at a point in my career now at this company where it is extremely difficult to get another promotion without doing this.

          (8) Staying here in this job rather than taking the monetary hit of moving and losing significant pension dollars.

          Finally, the biggest of them all:

          (9) HAVING AND PROVIDING FOR A FAMILY. The responsibility is extremely heavy and overshadows everything. My number one job concern is providing for my children in terms of money, love and support, and stability. This prevents me from pursuing alternate career choices including less lucrative ones (e.g. not applying for small college teaching professorships) and less family-friendly (e.g. declining a recent opportunity to interview at Apple R&D Cuppertino). Incidentally wife is a stay-at-home mom by choice for the purpose of doing a good job raising children; she could live perfectly well on her own without my earnings (sans children). We, and especially she, made the conscious decision to have less money so that our children would have a stay-at-home mom. She takes her job as a stay-at-home mom extremely seriously and works her ass off to the point where the intensity of her work amazes me sometimes. We are a team.

          It is the "provide for my family" thing that makes me sometimes regret not going to medical school. There are ways to be a family guy and a physician. I know a guy who was hired into our company straight out of medical school as one of our company medical doctors. It is pretty much an 8-5 job with some occasional travel for occupational medicine related things to the various plants. He was hired at an executive pay grade... one that I will never reach during my entire career. Also one of my uncles (now dead) was an occupational doctor for General Foods... I never thought to ask him about it when I was doing the career search.
          Gribs

          ...Music can be used to stimulate mass emotion, while mathematics cannot; and musical incapacity is recognized (no doubt rightly) as mildly discreditable, whereas most people are so frightened of the name of mathematics that they are ready, quite unaffectedly, to exaggerate their own mathematical stupidity.

          G.H. Hardy in A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941).

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          • #6
            If I was less experienced i'd say take happy over more pay every time.

            Sadly situations can change and happy can turn to **************** at pretty short notice... so I'd say cut a balance in favour of pay if possible.

            My last job went from the best job I ever had to hands down the worst with one staff change... it is that easy.

            Hapiness is not in your contract... it can evaporate anytime.
            Originally Posted by Metrosonus


            working in a library I wish women would just come right out and say "where do you keep your soft core / torture porn at?"









            Originally Posted by swardle


            Well, I've never seen such filth in my entire life. Disgustation!!!



            That's called pain. Get used to it.

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            • #7
              I often consider this as I work pretty far away from my home (about an hour). But I don't make that much money, and I have a family, so for now I'm staying put...
              http://www.reverbnation.com/christianschulze

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              • #8
                I've never made much money. I bummed around part-time music, part-time camp counsellor and maintenance and sometimes going to school into my late thirties.

                Married 17 years ago to a teacher. I'm the stay-at-home, so no great income for that but.... we live in Gananoque where the cost of housing is about a third of what it is in the city.

                I'm there for the kids and wife (not always zealous or appreciated but that's an aside) and have time to really dig into music, which is "what I do."

                If my wife ever dumps me, I'm in trouble, but as long as we stay together, everything is loverly.

                I had a serious bout of pneumonia a few years ago and, having come out of that alive, I've determined to become the best musician I can become up to the point where I start getting worse.
                Hi Mom!

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                • #9
                  http://www.48days.com/category/48-days-podcast/

                  This is a podcast by a highly paid career coach. A lot of it is just cheesy encouragement, but there is also valuable tips on how to change your thinking and plan for a job change.

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                  • #10
                    When I started at my current workplace 4,5 years ago, I made less than my previous job. I do like this job a lot better though. AND, at this point I'm making more than when I started and am still working my way up.

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                    • #11
                      i quit my job to go to a job that pays more lol

                      it sucks about 3x as much as my previous job but pays 3x as much. there is also a lot of downtime

                      to maintain the same standard of living i only have to work 1/3 as much altho these things tend to grow to meet whatever personal budget growth lol

                      anyways my time off is the most valuable thing to me for music and study. these are things i'm not getting paid to do generally but if i don't have to work as much i have more time to focus on them.

                      i do get a little jealous when i see people who do full time graphic design, animation, mixing, ice cream tasting, [insert cool job] but realize there are pay and time trade offs for everything.

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                      • #12
                        This is a tough one....I've had experience of having a job where I was taking home $1200 a week (as an LPN here in CT) however the only way I was able to do that was work an average3 of 55.4 hours a week, all nights and weekends, with crazy hours of 18 hour shifts, working all nights and weekends...the thing is I wasmaking mad money but I absoltely HATED it, and the hours really ****************ed me up, mentally and physically, I hadno life whatsoever....sure I was able to drop 10G's cash on a brand new Hayabusa in '06, but only averaged 900 MILES A YEAR for the 2 years I had it, which for you guys that ride know is absolutely nothing...

                        The thing is even tho9ugh I had a ton of jing in the bank I had no life whatsoever, not to mention that I absolutely hated my job and was beyond miserable...looking back I really gotta say that life is short, you only go around once, I'd say I would've been much much MUCH happier making less money but woerking normal hours at a job I actually liked, and that's what really matters....
                        Originally Posted by co&cafan808


                        chevybusa ****************in delivers the lulz!!!



                        Using and abusing Reason 4.0 (with tons of ReFills) and Logic 9 (with tons of soft synths, VSTi's and plug-ins)
                        via
                        a Yamaha S80 (with 2 FC7's, an FC5, an FC3, and a BC3a) and a Behringer BCR2000
                        on
                        a 4GB 2.53GHz Intel Core Duo Mac Mini
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                        AKG K77 headphones or M-Audio BX5a Deluxe monitors.







                        Originally Posted by OldGuitarPlayer


                        Ahhh...John Cage. The ultimate troll.









                        Originally Posted by Anderton


                        Just remember...machines don't kill music, people do.

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                        • #13
                          More money isn't really more money if you're working more hours IMO. I have two young kids and I'm a cancer survivor...life's short and there (should) be more to it than work (iMO).

                          For me work environment is pretty important. I know my dad and old-schoolers would probably whack me in the head for worrying about it so much, but they've moved us (IT dept) to an "open collaborative" environment. To me it means loud and distracting and I freaking hate it; unfortunately this is the a big trend. Point is, it sucks to dread a huge portion of your day/week/life, better to cut down on expenses and do your best to enjoy that time. There's lots to consider of course: which company is more stable, how are they with appointments/errands, benefits etc....I quit a job mostly because of the draconian time-management software we had to spend an hour each day filling out...yuck.

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                          • #14
                            I've never made much money. I bummed around part-time music, part-time camp counsellor and maintenance and sometimes going to school into my late thirties.

                            Married 17 years ago to a teacher. I'm the stay-at-home, so no great income for that but.... we live in Gananoque where the cost of housing is about a third of what it is in the city.

                            I'm there for the kids and wife (not always zealous or appreciated but that's an aside) and have time to really dig into music, which is "what I do."

                            If my wife ever dumps me, I'm in trouble, but as long as we stay together, everything is loverly.

                            I had a serious bout of pneumonia a few years ago and, having come out of that alive, I've determined to become the best musician I can become up to the point where I start getting worse.



                            Replace 17 years with 18 years, Teacher with Financial Aid Worker and I'm in about the exact same boat. Never had pneumonia, either.
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                            • #15
                              Go for happiness. Luxury is a distraction. How many hours of happiness do you get from your luxuries compared to the many hundreds of hours of misery you endure at a crappy job?

                              For the past 15 years I've only taken jobs if they contributed towards my ideal of a happy life. I've taken huge pay cuts at times. It's mostly worked out well. Unfortunately, for the past few years I've been working more hours per year than I like, but I really enjoy my job and get a lot out of it.
                              Prophet 08 / Odyssey / Juno-60 / CS-30 / Korg 01W / FS1R / TR-606 / RY30 / Ensoniq DP4+ /// Sonar

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