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  • #16
    There is also the THD HotPlate. You can use it as a dummy load with a direct out. Not sure if the direct out has speaker emulation or not. If not you'd need some way to do that or it's not gonna sound very pretty. But the aforementioned IR's or even a pretty basic eq can get you close'ish.

    However I must admit I'd just buy something to go direct. Also the idea of using a DI and recording a true clean signal is also a great idea. Then you can re-amp that signal and get the live feeling of the performance along with the mic'd sound of the Marshall. That does require a few more pieces though. Unless the simulator you buy as a way to record the dry signal.

    Which reminds me. If you have a decent computer, you could just use an amp plug-in. I think that was also mentioned. Record the dry signal to one track (muted) and send it to another track with the amp sim. However to track multiple tracks, and have an amp plug, and low latency requires a fairly modern computer. Just some thoughts.

    There is also the eleven rack. Which would solve a lot of this. But again we're getting into more money. Okay I'll stop now. Definitely lots of ways to skin this cat.
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    • #17
      No idea, I've never actually heard one.


      Perhaps they'd send you a review unit?



      They might be willing to loan me one for a review. I can look into it if you guys are interested.
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      • #18
        Those iso cabs are too expensive. I think my best option is to get a 25' speaker cable and only move the cabinet (Mesa 2X12) during recording.

        I may explore the DI boxes like the FANTA or Radial JDX for live performances.

        Ultimately, the Tech21 products for direct recording seem like the most affordable and best options.


        Tech 21 makes some very cool direct recording tools. I was quite impressed with the V2 Blonde and Liverpool Character Series pedals. They sound surprisingly good running direct.

        Thanks for your input guys and if anyone does find a solution that will allow me to use my Marshall signal direct while cutting off the signal coming out of the cab, please share.


        Well, to quote myself from earlier...

        You would connect things just as described for the FANTA, except instead of connecting it to your speaker, you substitute the load box instead. The FANTA is just a line-level tap and speaker simulator - you still need a speaker (or other substitute load of the correct impedance) for the amplifier to operate safely.

        Something like this would probably work as a suitable 8 ohm load:

        http://www.amazon.com/200W-Non-Induc.../dp/B0002KRE3E


        That only adds $38 (with shipping) to the price of the FANTA.
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        • #19
          I'd just buy a cheap speaker with low SPL, and mount it flat against a board inside a padded box. No speaker holes.
          Total cost maybe $30.

          You can buy one of these studio one speakers that have an anemic output for around $20
          http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=290-262

          Build a box with some leftover wood, and pack it with some stuffing so theres very little resonation and
          you'll barely hear anything. 10" will be small too so it wont take up allot of space.

          The best part is this will be an active speaker load. The problem with resistors is they dont vary in resistance like speaker
          impedance does. It may not hurt an amp head but it is like slamming the speaker output against a brick wall and since
          the rated speaker impedance only applies to one frequence, a DC resistance wont vary with frequency like a speaker does so
          it has an effect on the frequency responce.

          You can use the speaker box, then just build this little circuit for a few dollars.
          It will supply an emulated speaker line output. You simply plug it into the extension jack
          or you can build it into the chassis for live gigging. The good part is it captures the power amp
          tubes and output transformer saturation.

          This particular circuit is good for a 50W amp.
          I'd doubble the resistance to 1 meg instead of a 470 resistor for a 100W amp.
          Or you could add a 500K pot in series with the existing resistor so you can attenuate the line output.




          I've installed these in all my vintage amps that dont have line outs
          and they work great for recording or plugging into a PA without having to deal with mics.

          Total cost of these items would be maybe $25 and some scrap wood, few screws and glue to build
          a box thats a little over 10" wide. What you get is a hot plate thats got a speaker emulated line out
          thats good for 125W. Might take you an hour to build unless you're all thumbs.

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          • #20
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            Literally just saw this. However it's not available until September, but these guys seem to make some really nice stuff.
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            • #21
              please excuse me, if i mssed something in your post, but: if you still are going to play through the actual amp, at whichever volume you deem adequate for the situation, and you find it acceptable to compromise tone somewhat by running a cheap gizmo to capture the direct signal, why not simply stick a mic to the grill? if it's a scratch track, what's the problem? it may be thinner / buzzier / whatever then a properly turned up amp, but still, it's a simple option that works

              edit: does your amp have an fx loop? is it possible to run preamp out of FX send into your interface, without muting the output? if so, i suggest capturing DI out and applying convolution software + cab impulses (such as RedWirez) in your DAW

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