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  • I VI IV - Over Two Beats. Where Else Has It Happened?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y



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    First one is in minor, what other songs feature this pattern?
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    This is basically a modified BossaNova rhythm. The roots spread wide through all Latin American and contemporary music. Your examples are actually the first HALF of a bossanova.



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      I made it through the intro to the Taylor Swift vid (two minutes and three seconds of my life I'll never get back) but I had to draw the line about 4 bars into the treacly sing-song autotune-solo, er, song. I did skip ahead to the break at the point you ref'ed but I couldn't hear anything special or intriguing or interesting in the slightest. (I was definitely amused by the cookie cutter love-interest dude. Wow. No cliche left unturned.)



      The second track I couldn't make it through four bars of, the very poorly tuned vocals were even more annoying that the programmed 'vocal' from Swift, which, though obviously tuned, at least didn't have as many awkward tuning wrenchmarks as her previous, country efforts or this unfortunate effort.





      I've listened to a lot of bossa nova over the last 50 years. I'm afraid I don't hear the linkage Dan suggests. But he's a drummer and I'm a guitar player. The thinking of those twain rarely meet.





      With regard to finding other songs that use similar chord patterns, I mean, there are only so many patterns. This I - VI - IV thing is very common. Of course, it's very similar to the classic 50's do wop cadence I - VI - IV - V.



      And, of course, all this has been commented on hilariously by Axis of Awesome. (NSFW language.)






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        Quote Originally Posted by blue2blue
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        I made it through the intro to the Taylor Swift vid (two minutes and three seconds of my life I'll never get back) but I had to draw the line about 4 bars into the treacly sing-song autotune-solo, er, song. I did skip ahead to the break at the point you ref'ed but I couldn't hear anything special or intriguing or interesting in the slightest. (I was definitely amused by the cookie cutter love-interest dude. Wow. No cliche left unturned.)



        The second track I couldn't make it through four bars of, the old school hard tuned vocals were even more annoying that the programmed 'vocal' from Swift.




        So... you liked it then?

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          Quote Originally Posted by blue2blue
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          I made it through the intro to the Taylor Swift vid (two minutes and three seconds of my life I'll never get back) but I had to draw the line about 4 bars into the treacly sing-song autotune-solo, er, song. I did skip ahead to the break at the point you ref'ed but I couldn't hear anything special or intriguing or interesting in the slightest. (I was definitely amused by the cookie cutter love-interest dude. Wow. No cliche left unturned.)



          The second track I couldn't make it through four bars of, the very poorly tuned vocals were even more annoying that the programmed 'vocal' from Swift, which, though obviously tuned, at least didn't have as many awkward tuning wrenchmarks as her previous, country efforts or this unfortunate effort.





          I've listened to a lot of bossa nova over the last 50 years. I'm afraid I don't hear the linkage Dan suggests. But he's a drummer and I'm a guitar player. The thinking of those twain rarely meet.





          With regard to finding other songs that use similar chord patterns, I mean, there are only so many patterns. This I - VI - IV thing is very common. Of course, it's very similar to the classic 50's do wop cadence I - VI - IV - V.



          And, of course, all this has been commented on hilariously by Axis of Awesome. (NSFW language.)






          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I




          It was just about 4 seconds I was referring to, along with the melodic contour over said progression. I'm trying to think where else I've heard that I VI IV used with that descending melody.



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          <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>bloodxandxrank</strong>

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          <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>wrongnote85</strong>
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          • #6
            I was just on my way back here to delete my perhaps uncharitable screed, which, on reflection, didn't seem to really address the OP's question. Suffice it to say the answer to your question, Ernest, is, not really... the Swift vid really got me going on the wrong foot with the loooooooong voiceover intro. Oh my heavens. It's like a perfume ad for tweakers.



            But, anyhow, that's all impertinent to the OP's perfectly reasonable (if open-ended) question.


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            • #7
              I try to avoid I IV V progressions as much as possible. Even if it means no one under 30 will care for my music (they don't anyway, so no loss there...)
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              • #8
                Its funny, all this talk about chord progressions... I think there are 3-4 songs on my next record that all have the same chord progression:



                VI / I / V / II9





                The trick is getting them to sound like different songs. Obviously the melodies are all different but it is funny how I never noticed the progressions until I was actually in the studio working on producing them and not while I was writing them.

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                  Quote Originally Posted by blue2blue
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                  I made it through the intro to the Taylor Swift vid (two minutes and three seconds of my life I'll never get back)




                  My, that's a long intro! No, I didn't listen to it. I don't care. Music is in the eye of the creator. Acceptance is something else.
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                    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Buckley
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                    Its funny, all this talk about chord progressions... I think there are 3-4 songs on my next record that all have the same chord progression:



                    VI / I / V / II9





                    The trick is getting them to sound like different songs. Obviously the melodies are all different but it is funny how I never noticed the progressions until I was actually in the studio working on producing them and not while I was writing them.




                    I totally agree. Interesting chords can be good, but melody is what really matters.



                    Anyway, the aforementioned chords I was mentioning being used in such a manner feels quite power-ballad-like. Similar to 'once upon a time I was falling in love.. now I'm only falling apart.'
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                    <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>bloodxandxrank</strong>

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                    <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>wrongnote85</strong>
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                      Quote Originally Posted by LordBTY
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                      I totally agree. Interesting chords can be good, but melody is what really matters.



                      Anyway, the aforementioned chords I was mentioning being used in such a manner feels quite power-ballad-like. Similar to 'once upon a time I was falling in love.. now I'm only falling apart.'




                      The melody is part of the chords. I don't think it's fair to try to separate them. It's not fair to the melody or to the chords. The proof of that is that the melody completely changes character if the chords are changed, and vice versa. It's like trying to choose a favorite leg bone.
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                      • #12
                        Call me silly but I think that Taylor Swift track is great. The pop instincts of Swift, Max Martin and Shellback are pretty cool to me. Fun stuff. That chorus kills.



                        I'm a little confused by your question though... edit: Ah, I got it, where haven't you heard it?
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                          Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Buckley
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                          Its funny, all this talk about chord progressions... I think there are 3-4 songs on my next record that all have the same chord progression:



                          VI / I / V / II9





                          The trick is getting them to sound like different songs. Obviously the melodies are all different but it is funny how I never noticed the progressions until I was actually in the studio working on producing them and not while I was writing them.




                          I usually don't realize I've written over some of my 'favorite' changes until I go to transposing, and all of a sudden that fresh sounding thing falls familiarly into old moves. (This phenom, of course, is even worse on guitar than on keyboard.)


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                            Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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                            Call me silly but I think that Taylor Swift track is great. The pop instincts of Swift, Max Martin and Shellback are pretty cool to me. Fun stuff. That chorus kills.



                            I'm a little confused by your question though... edit: Ah, I got it, where haven't you heard it?




                            She's certainly gotten better -- I've heard her sing unaided in the last few years and it wasn't totally embarrassing -- basic folkie girl next door, but not the horrid trainwreck that her live singing had notoriously been in previous years -- and, crucially, the vocal editors assigned to recent projects appear to be much better than those who marred her earlier career with the who-cares-what-it-sounds-like Nashville tuning so typical of the first decade of the century. (Of course, it's generally easier to tune someone the closer they come to being able to hold pitch.)


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                            • #15
                              I'm less concerned about Taylor's vocal chops than her ability to create massive hits. Good songwriting, keen pop instincts. Some really good modern pop production and arranging. Max Martin knows how to stay current, I am a fan. That floats my boat.



                              And that long video intro... so.. you're telling me what was intended for a 16 year old girl doesn't appeal to you?!?!?! That seems like a good thing to me.
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