Members Ernest Buckley Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 I think it sucks that John and I are the only ones with avatars worth looking at. Beauty is good for my health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rabid Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 I think it sucks that John and I are the only ones with avatars worth looking at. Beauty is good for my health. I hear that you are even prettier in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted July 17, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 So, for those of you in other countries with health care, how do we get it done here without disputing the rest of our lifestyle? What are the cliff notes origins of Australias' plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 They say theres 45 million in the US without healthcare. If you deduct the one third that are illegal aliens, one third of those younger who elected not to take it then theres maybe 15 million that dont have it right now. In comparison, There are 305 million in the US. nearly 10% - 30+ million are unemployed. passing the healthcare and cap and trade plans can doubble this number from 30 million to 60 million people. Those left working will have to pay the entire debt and healthcare and carbon tax load , along with our kids and grandkids. What do you consider to be the bigger issue here, being one of the 10% unemployed, One of the 20% who may soon be unemployed, or one of the 2% that dont have healthcare. To me putting 20% of the people out of work to satisfy the 2% that dont have insurance doesnt make sence. If anything that 2% should have pitchforks running the illegals away from the healthcare system so it would be less costly for themselves. A good portion of what drives the cost is the hospitals paying for people not covered isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 I hear that you are even prettier in person. um, you better check your sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonotes Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 2. Think of how your DMV is run. Do you really want your healthcare run the same way? That's exactly what would happen if the government had to administer it. This has always been my favorite of the arguments against universal coverage. Perhaps it's just the county that I live in, but in over thirty years I have never waited for more than fifteen minutes for service. This includes annual registration of multiple vehicles, title transfers (several from out of state purchases), and DL renewals. Real estate taxes are also paid in the same office, at the same counter. The only time that I have ever spent more than thirty minutes from entry to exit, was when I was taking the test for my CDL. If my local DMV is the example to be feared, I say bring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thrashy Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 The DMV is run by the state. Some are well organized, efficient, and are very fast to get through. some aren't. They do seem to do a pretty good job of keeping track of all those cars on the road, and return a lot of information to the cops when they pull you over. Some states even have to coordinate with outside agencies like air inspection,. state inspection and keep all of those records straight. Of course when I go to the doctor, I wait in a room, then get called to go sit in another room, the doctor popps their head in for a few minutes tops and then it is all dealing with their staff. I have heard so many arguments about having to go to med school leading to the costs but I dont deal much with that clown, it is the nurses and staff that i get to spend my time with, and their schooling is nowhere near a doctors. My experience with private doctors is almost identical to what I grew up with as a military dependent in terms of quality of care but the only difference is I didn't have to be an accountant to see if the bills got paid or not. And for this I get to pay 20% of my income for insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Sayers Posted July 17, 2009 Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 I think it sucks that John and I are the only ones with avatars worth looking at. Beauty is good for my health. I must also point out that both models are Australian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted July 17, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 17, 2009 Maybe I should just emigrate.....I mean, Icons, Health Care and the Barrier Reef... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jon Gnash Posted July 18, 2009 Members Share Posted July 18, 2009 The citizenry of our country deserve health care at little or no costWhat about people who smoke? It seems to me that if they were genuinely interested in their health they would stop smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted July 18, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 18, 2009 Tricky, but I think every one gets care. In a lot of ways, I think many smokers are also victims of regulations and lobbyists...as are many obese,etc...Some are just self induced, others are products of our HFCS food system and genetics..but I digress...Basically, I think you help people, educate one the risks, etc, and it will turn around, but it is a long term road, not a quick fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jon Gnash Posted July 18, 2009 Members Share Posted July 18, 2009 I think you help people, educate one the risks, etc, and it will turn aroundI wish you were right. But I don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted July 18, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 18, 2009 I agree to a point, but I also think that a lot of addictions start at either very young ages when maybe the brain or judgment is not quite firing on all cylinders, or at a point of stress in life when an individual is not only weak, but has a poor or non-existent peer support group. The addictive qualities of cigarettes ( as well as other things) get a hold, and then it is too late to stop it for gaining a hold without focused work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eventArgs Posted July 19, 2009 Members Share Posted July 19, 2009 So, for those of you in other countries with health care, how do we get it done here without disputing the rest of our lifestyle? What are the cliff notes origins of Australias' plan? "Medicare" started in Australia in the 80's and has gradually evolved to its current state. There was initially less private involvement I believe, but I'm (just) a bit too young to remember the details of the launch... The system isn't perfect. I live in a town of around 75000 people, so there are doctors and two large hospitals here, along with various clinics and specialists and such. I hear it is a bit trickier to find doctors and hospitals if you're in small, remote country towns, but with the size of this country it's always been difficult to get services to everybody equally. There are treatments that fall through the cracks - it isn't feasible to subsidies every drug/treatment on the market. So if your are one of five people in the country that needs a specific expensive drug then you're going to want private insurance. Most things seem to be covered pretty well though... It will be expensive for a country with the population of the USA, and there will undoubtably be some pretty big gov't cock-ups along the way but the sooner it gets started, the sooner it will be smoothed out into an effective solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eventArgs Posted July 19, 2009 Members Share Posted July 19, 2009 I wish you were right. But I don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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