Members Phait Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 ...there is a melody/key shift behind a main melody (like a vocal), which creates a different impression upon the listener? Hard for me to explain. Like, let's say you're listening to a song and the tone of the lyrics or song feels alright cause there's a particular bass melody behind it, but then you shift the key of it or make it minor, suddenly the song feel darker (or different)? What made me think of this is Aerosmith's "Livin' On The Edge". Especially the part in the beginning: 00:39 "We're livin' on the edge" starts, the familiar guitar bending, the sliding bass00:50 the bass shifts, creating a different tone, seems a bit darker - it's subtle00:56 the bass goes back to it's normal riff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scud133 Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 youtube link no worky are you referring to the album version or the acoustic version? im playing the album now and i dont hear those changes ur talking about. is it possible you're just noticing the chord changes?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members halfnote Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Your embedded link's been disabled.YTube seems to be doing more of that lately. Til I find the vid, I'd guess that you're referring to modulation, a term you probably know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kurdy Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 The bass doesn't change at all. I believe what you're referring to is called "pedal point". The bass stays on the same note, but the chords above it change. I'm not hearing any shift in the bass in that section whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phait Posted August 26, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 The bass doesn't change at all. I believe what you're referring to is called "pedal point". The bass stays on the same note, but the chords above it change. I'm not hearing any shift in the bass in that section whatsoever. I'll have to listen again. *EDIT* Yeah it's the chord changes. Doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members halfnote Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 "Modulation" is just the musical jargon for changing keys or, as in some of the examples of the track you cited, having a background harmony shift behind a line.When this happens behind a single note, that note's called a "pedal point", as Kurdy said, but I don't know of a comparable term for a moving line against a shifting background, as @ :39~ 1:01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Music words to know: drone: a tone in a musical composition which does not change, while other notes and chords below it DO change. Examples of instruments which provide drones: bagpipes, sitar, banjo ostinato: a repeating figure by the bass instrument; while the bass repeats a certain line over and over, the higher-up instruments play all kinds of melody and chords on top of it. harmonic ambiguity: When a song leads you to believe that it's in a certain key or meter.... but then, as other instruments enter, you see that you were fooled, because the implied harmonies and/or rhythms are different than you'd first guessed. tutti: Italian for "all" or "everybody". This refers to a place in an arrangement in which ALL the instruments come in and play together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ethan Winer Posted August 27, 2009 Members Share Posted August 27, 2009 I believe what you're referring to is called "pedal point". The bass stays on the same note, but the chords above it change. Yes, that's exactly what's happening at 0:50 in that video. First the chord is D with a D in the bass too, then the chord goes to a Bb while the bass remains on a D note. --Ethan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted August 27, 2009 Members Share Posted August 27, 2009 First chord is D5 The other chords are: Bm7 (/D)ABb5G5D5F#7 #9Bbmaj7F5A5F5A5F6Em7/#11Ebmaj7#11 (no 3rd) The long D part at the beginning can be described as Pedal Point - Bass Pedal Point to be precise. But the later chord change is a chord change And if, as Phait does, the bass is classified as riff, then it could also be called Ostinato Bass . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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