Members stevieb Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I know Gibson set-neck guitars, especially Les Pauls, are notorious for the necks breaking just past the nut. I thought I heard that EPIPHONES were not so bad, but another post here shows an Epi with the same neck break. Is my assumption that Epi's are somewhat immune to this malady? Best answers would be based on experience seeing and/or repairing several such breaks, second best might be from the owners of Les Pauls. Thanks, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Preacher Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 If you watch ebay a bit it should become apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stevieb Posted January 26, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 If you watch ebay a bit it should become apparent. I appreciate the quick post, but that does not help much. Watch for WHAT? Or, better yet,if you have an answer, just post IT and enough with the false mystery, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Preacher Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Apologies. Plenty of examples of Epis with this exact break can be found. I'm not sure of the exact ratio epi-to-gibson but I know they're certainly not immune. Same basic physics at work in both, i reckon, in view of the similiarity of design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ExiledCrow Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 First LP-type I ever ordered, Epi, arrived with the notorious break at the nut. Courtsey of UPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashasha Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I've had two Epi's with cracked headstocks from shipping issues. But in all honesty it is more of a Gibson issue and here is why. Gibsons use a single piece of wood for the neck which requires a larger piece of material and adds to the cost, but because of the grain of the wood and the angle of the headstock combined with the truss rod hole and tiny amount of wood at the nut it is subject to breaks. Epiphone on the other hand cuts a slimmer piece of wood at an angle and creates a scarf joint at the nut. It's stronger because the wood glue is stronger than just the grain of the wood on the Gibsons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flogger59 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Epis might be marginally better in this respect because Gibson uses 1 piece for the neck and headstock (don't bag on me for the headstock wings, they don't count), so the grain forward of the headstock pitch gets really short. Add the truss rod channel, and there isn't much there. Epi uses a scarf joint for the headstock, starting around the 3rd fret, so the grain on the headstock is parallel to the headstock, and the wood around the truss rod rout has longer fibers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flogger59 Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I've had two Epi's with cracked headstocks from shipping issues.But in all honesty it is more of a Gibson issue and here is why. Gibsons use a single piece of wood for the neck which requires a larger piece of material and adds to the cost, but because of the grain of the wood and the angle of the headstock combined with the truss rod hole and tiny amount of wood at the nut it is subject to breaks. Epiphone on the other hand cuts a slimmer piece of wood at an angle and creates a scarf joint at the nut. It's stronger because the wood glue is stronger than just the grain of the wood on the Gibsons. Great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ColinLynch Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 dunno much about the guitar stucture. my friends epi SG neck just broke a week ago though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mel Cooley Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 Any guitar with the headstock angled to a degree where it bends back further than the back of the body will have the potential to snap off if it falls over backwards. Yes, Epis are as bad as Gibsons (and some Guilds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted January 26, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 26, 2010 Any guitar with the headstock angled to a degree where it bends back further than the back of the body will have the potential to snap off if it falls over backwards. Yes, Epis are as bad as Gibsons (and some Guilds). ...and Vintage (the brand, not 50s n 60s) acoustics;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trollin' Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I appreciate the quick post, but that does not help much. Watch for WHAT? Or, better yet,if you have an answer, just post IT and enough with the false mystery, please. Oh come on. Do you have the IQ of a dog? You knew damn what what he's talking about. You didn't have to be such an ignorant asshole And....Epiphones suffer from it just as much as Gibsons (if you don't know what I mean by the word it, I will come find you and rip your intestines out through your mouth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wrathfuldeity Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 got an 2008 epi lp with broken off head stock; just glued it, used some epoxy wood putty and a sharpie then lightly sanded with 0000 steel wool...about 2 hours of work, 3 days of drying and $50 for the geetar...nice player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zooLemon Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 I saw this happen to my friend's Epi. Leaned against an amp during a break, got knocked over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members _Idioteque_ Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 unfortunately, what was said earlier is true. in fact, you can improve the design so it wont do that, but the fact remains:breaking the neck and then regluing is stronger than not doing it. gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Oh come on. Do you have the IQ of a dog? You knew damn what what he's talking about. You didn't have to be such an ignorant asshole And....Epiphones suffer from it just as much as Gibsons (if you don't know what I mean by the word it, I will come find you and rip your intestines out through your mouth) Wow! Isn't a threat of violence a bannable offense? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Wow! Isn't a threat of violence a bannable offense? If it gets reported I'm sure a temp ban would be in order. Trollin' is too over the top for anyone to take even the slightest bit seriously and is probably on most member's ignore list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members volvo1800 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Yeah . . they should definitely do something about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Acid Test Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Oh come on. Do you have the IQ of a dog? You knew damn what what he's talking about. You didn't have to be such an ignorant asshole And....Epiphones suffer from it just as much as Gibsons (if you don't know what I mean by the word it, I will come find you and rip your intestines out through your mouth) The internet - serious business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stevieb Posted January 27, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Thanks, all. (Even Trollin', you... well, troll.) I'll continue to baby my Epi Les Paul, protecting it from all harm... of course, I do the same for all my guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rll Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Isn't some of the tonal qualities of les pauls derived from their neck design? When I play my lp style guitar I can feel alot more vibration through the neck than I can out of my Fender style. I don't think they need redesigned, people just have to be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Longhair Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'll ask... How exactly are all these necks breaking in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'll ask...How exactly are all these necks breaking in the first place? See page one. Your reading comprehension skills are extremely lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flogger59 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'm sorry that I contributed to this {censored} fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'm sorry that I contributed to this {censored} fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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