Members JoeFender Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 First clip I liked what I heard when someone played the Ventures. Probably down to the guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rex Machete Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 I don't think it's counterproductive to obsess over tone. However, when you obsess more about the elements of tone that takes a trip to the shop to address, rather than the tone you control with your fingers, then, I agree that it is counterproductive to becoming a better musician. Nobody ever bought an album just because the guitarist uses NOS RCA tubes instead of Chinese Sovtek tubes, so spend some time writing better music and lyrics, right? I was talking about the "incessant need for new gear/parts" sort of tone-chasing. Obviously improving your tone with good technique is vital.Also, it's funny how many people accuse you of trolling for stating your opinion around here. People seem to confuse "I don't like his tone" with "everyone who likes his tone is an inferior human." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members =JL= Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 lol Really didn't know either. Up to the instant he hit that fuzz face, I hated fuzz.Sorry fella, thought you were being ironic, no offence meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 Nuthin' man. I post my share of sarco irony. Have to reconsider fuzz though. Bummer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vikingrat Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 I love that you can tell who he is by a couple of notes. Great guitar player and that sonic blue Strat is sexy as hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k_strat Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ooo luv EJ's tones...I always think of that quote about his lead tone 'sounds like a thousand pound violin'...so distinctive, maybe the best attribute you could want, you hear that sound, and you KNOW it's him. Another side that gets overlooked about his sound, is his AMAZING clean tones...I'm no expert in his setup, but I seem to remember him switching between Marshalls and a tube driver for crunch/lead sounds , and Fender..twins (?) for his cleans , with that ancient TC Electronics chorus pedal. Heavenly cleans...that song Manhattan is just so sweet for clean sounds...The other thing, which really surprised me at the time, is his 70's recorded stuff, he was a total fusion guy. I thought I was listening to Al Dimeola!...then he sort of developed his solo sound, which never was a true rock based approach, it's like upper class sophisticated pop/rock/jazz brew with his own unique stamp of tone and virtuoso playing Well I guess we all hear things differently. I don't think of DiMeola as being an influence on his Fusion playing. Especially his work while he was in The Electromagnets. I do hear a bit of early Mahavishnu John McLaughlin and Return to Forever era Bill Connors. (Hym Of the 7th Galaxy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted June 9, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 It's not like EJ doesn't sometimes have what I consider to be excellent tone. A majority of the time I do not care for his tone, but occasionally, he goes easy on his delay and plays clean and it sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted June 9, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 I was talking about the "incessant need for new gear/parts" sort of tone-chasing. Obviously improving your tone with good technique is vital. Also, it's funny how many people accuse you of trolling for stating your opinion around here. People seem to confuse "I don't like his tone" with "everyone who likes his tone is an inferior human." Oh, word. Haha, well, sometimes I am trolling. Usually, I make it abundantly clear when I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IbanezJon Posted June 9, 2012 Members Share Posted June 9, 2012 I don't have the energy to get into a big internet debate about it.. I just hate logic like "delay masks poor technique" "a big pedalboard masks his true ability to play" "hi gain amps/compression mask poor technique" or whatever. It's internet logic and is completely disconnected from the reality of being a creative musician. 80's rockers didn't have long hair because it hid a birthmark on their scalp. Artists make artistic choices based on their own preferences to please themselves. They aren't 10 year olds in their basements running scales to a metronome trying to play as cleanly as possible. Looking for ways to "shortcut" things and sound cleaner than they actually are technically. It's looking at music completely from the wrong perspective. Something which happens all too often on the internet. And especially with guitar. They have their preferences and everyone else is entitled to theirs as well (including the OP). That part isn't in question. Dave Navarro isn't someone I'd consider a "top guitarist" by any stretch but in one his interviews/lessons kept coming back to the words "desired effect". That about sums it up. Bass players, singers, guitar plays, heck even chefs.. they do things, to achieve the "desired effect".. rather than to showcase technique or in this case "pure tone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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