Members baracuda2004 Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Viagra Saves Premature Baby's LifeABC News(Feb. 16) - Lewis Goodfellow was not an obvious candidate for the "little blue pill," but Viagra may have saved his life. 'Last Resort' a Miracle ABC NewsViagra helped open up tiny blood vessels in baby Lewis Goodfellow's lungs so blood could pump away from the lungs and toward the rest of the body, similar to the way it works for impotent men. Talk About It: Post Thoughts Lewis was born premature last August, weighing only 1 pound, 8 ounces, and had a heart defect and collapsed lung. Doctors didn't expect the baby to survive, and his teen mother began making plans for a funeral. "The Viagra was suggested when doctors had run out of everything else," said Lewis' mom, Jade Goodfellow. "Lewis couldn't be given any more oxygen. There was nothing else they could do. They were just clutching at straws, basically." Viagra helped open up tiny blood vessels in Lewis' lungs so blood could pump away from the lungs and toward the rest of the body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greenshag Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 wow, viagra works for so many different things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 isnt that the original purpose of the drug to increase blood circulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 isnt that the original purpose of the drug to increase blood circulation? Yes, the side effect is a cure for Limp Wang Syndrome. Many people bitch and moan about drug companies researching cures for sexual problems, but they stumbled upon that while researching more worthwhile medicines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members K7Baixo Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 I'll bet Lewis is the envy of every little crib creature there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZedsDead Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 We all know where taking the red pill gets you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted February 16, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 16, 2007 Viagra Saves Premature Baby's LifeABC News(Feb. 16) - Lewis Goodfellow was not an obvious candidate for the "little blue pill," but Viagra may have saved his life. 'Last Resort' a Miracle ABC NewsViagra helped open up tiny blood vessels in baby Lewis Goodfellow's lungs so blood could pump away from the lungs and toward the rest of the body, similar to the way it works for impotent men. Talk About It: Post Thoughts Lewis was born premature last August, weighing only 1 pound, 8 ounces, and had a heart defect and collapsed lung. Doctors didn't expect the baby to survive, and his teen mother began making plans for a funeral. "The Viagra was suggested when doctors had run out of everything else," said Lewis' mom, Jade Goodfellow. "Lewis couldn't be given any more oxygen. There was nothing else they could do. They were just clutching at straws, basically." Viagra helped open up tiny blood vessels in Lewis' lungs so blood could pump away from the lungs and toward the rest of the body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Swartz Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Why do people feel the need to give God the credit that ought to go to hard working doctors? Maybe God put those doctors in a position to help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baracuda2004 Posted February 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Maybe God put those doctors in a position to help... PLEASE STOP NOW!!!! this was a post about saving a life... don't turn it into one of those Holy War things... please:bor: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassgirl9 Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 That's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slapthefunkyfour Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Swartz Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 PLEASE STOP NOW!!!! this was a post about saving a life... don't turn it into one of those Holy War things... please:bor: I'm not - I'm merely pointing out that for at least some of those who believe in God, the fact that PEOPLE were involved in saving a life doesn't represent a contradiction. Miracles don't always have to happen in the Biblical manner. Credit all the doctors involved for saving a life - I'm just saying people of faith might thank God (or some other deity) that those doctors were available to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baracuda2004 Posted February 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 I'm not - I'm merely pointing out that for at least some of those who believe in God, the fact that PEOPLE were involved in saving a life doesn't represent a contradiction. Miracles don't always have to happen in the Biblical manner. Credit all the doctors involved for saving a life - I'm just saying people of faith might thank God (or some other deity) that those doctors were available to them. oh ok... i'm just tired of seeing so many threads go down that road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted February 17, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2007 I'm not - I'm merely pointing out that for at least some of those who believe in God, the fact that PEOPLE were involved in saving a life doesn't represent a contradiction. Miracles don't always have to happen in the Biblical manner. Credit all the doctors involved for saving a life - I'm just saying people of faith might thank God (or some other deity) that those doctors were available to them. Couldn't let it go, could you? Nowhere in the article did anyone say, "The doctors did a great job." No, they said, "It's a miracle!" As if the doctors did nothing. Miracles are supernatural interventions. There was nothing supernatural about this. People working in pharmaceutical companies came up with a drug. Doctors used that drug to save a baby's life. No evidence at all for any intervention by any deities, nor any need to add them into the mix in order to explain what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted February 17, 2007 Members Share Posted February 17, 2007 Couldn't let it go, could you?Nowhere in the article did anyone say, "The doctors did a great job." No, they said, "It's a miracle!" As if the doctors did nothing.Miracles are supernatural interventions. There was nothing supernatural about this. People working in pharmaceutical companies came up with a drug. Doctors used that drug to save a baby's life. No evidence at all for any intervention by any deities, nor any need to add them into the mix in order to explain what happened. Would you rather read a headline or article that said HOLY S!@# IT WORKED? The doctors had tried everything and viagra was a last resort and it happened to work many people relegious or not would consider that a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted February 17, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2007 As if the doctors did nothing.Why didn't they try it sooner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jazz Ad Posted February 17, 2007 Members Share Posted February 17, 2007 Because patients, expecially babies aren't supposed to be test tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted February 17, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2007 Because patients, expecially babies aren't supposed to be test tubes. That's what God put animals on earth for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jazz Ad Posted February 17, 2007 Members Share Posted February 17, 2007 Animals are meant to be food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted February 17, 2007 Members Share Posted February 17, 2007 Because patients, expecially babies aren't supposed to be test tubes. but the baby that could die either way is not as much of a risk. the doctors are not at fault if the medicine doesnt save the baby's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted February 17, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2007 because its already difficult to get the dosage right for an adult and even more difficult for a 1lb premature infant. but the baby that could die either way is not as much of a risk. the doctors are not at fault if the medicine doesnt save the baby's life. I would agree with that. Sometimes typed words don't get read the way they are intended. My point before was that the doctors were doing something, and should be commended for trying, but ultimately as a last ditch effort they tried something that wasn't the normal MO. Whatever they were doing before didn't work. Why was it that some doctor suggested to try Viagra? Great move on his/her part, but a last second miracle nonetheless. Whether or not someone wants to admit or deny it was/wasn't a supernatural miracle is something to argue on a different day. I'm just glad all the 80 year olds who still want to impregnate 20 some year old girls have made Viagra a readily available drug, so that this kind of "miracle" could happen. It's pretty cool news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members venturawest Posted February 18, 2007 Members Share Posted February 18, 2007 ...Whatever they were doing before didn't work. Why was it that some doctor suggested to try Viagra? Great move on his/her part, but a last second miracle nonetheless. Whether or not someone wants to admit or deny it was/wasn't a supernatural miracle is something to argue on a different day. I'm just glad all the 80 year olds who still want to impregnate 20 some year old girls have made Viagra a readily available drug, so that this kind of "miracle" could happen. It's pretty cool news. sildenafil was actually being used for increasing pulmonary circulation in neonates long before it was rebadged and marketed as a drug for erectile dysfunction. it was originally tested as a drug to improve coronary circulation and the side effect was identified as increasing penile bloodflow. when pfizer realized that this side effect could be a blockbuster, they slowed development of the drug as a cardiac vasodilator. sheesh, people, that's no freakin' miracle, wordly or otherwise. it's been well-described in the medical literature for years. the only reason people are even noticing is because the mass media picked up on the story and made a lot more of it than it warrants. signed, your friendly pediatric surgeon, who currently has a preemie in the NICU with atrocious BPD that is currently improving with sildenafil treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bbl Posted February 18, 2007 Members Share Posted February 18, 2007 Couldn't let it go, could you?Nowhere in the article did anyone say, "The doctors did a great job." No, they said, "It's a miracle!" As if the doctors did nothing.Miracles are supernatural interventions. There was nothing supernatural about this. People working in pharmaceutical companies came up with a drug. Doctors used that drug to save a baby's life. No evidence at all for any intervention by any deities, nor any need to add them into the mix in order to explain what happened. Couldn't let it go? All John Schwartz was saying was that some people believe in miracles, even when it's people that save lives. He never said YOU should believe that and he gave credit to the doctors. I don't believe in the supernatural, or miracles, or God in general, but I don't try to convert others into thinking my way. Who the {censored} are you to rudely attack others who simply explain that other's may think differently than you. You and I probably see things the same way on many topics, but in my opinion, based on your posts, you're just as guilty of preaching as those you accuse. And you're pretty darn rude and agressive about it. Live and let live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted February 18, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 18, 2007 sildenafil was actually being used for increasing pulmonary circulation in neonates long before it was rebadged and marketed as a drug for erectile dysfunction. it was originally tested as a drug to improve coronary circulation and the side effect was identified as increasing penile bloodflow. when pfizer realized that this side effect could be a blockbuster, they slowed development of the drug as a cardiac vasodilator. sheesh, people, that's no freakin' miracle, wordly or otherwise. it's been well-described in the medical literature for years. the only reason people are even noticing is because the mass media picked up on the story and made a lot more of it than it warrants. signed, your friendly pediatric surgeon, who currently has a preemie in the NICU with atrocious BPD that is currently improving with sildenafil treatment. I have no reason to doubt you Vwest, but unless I misread something, this was an eleventh hour fix in this particular case. If this is standard neonatal procedure, why wasn't it thought of sooner in this infant's case? Or is it something where pfizer helped push the story to help the stockholders happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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