Members philthygeezer Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Edmunds is now doing comparisons where they take people off the streets and get them to do all the testing. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=123972/pageNumber=1 Chevy consistently beat Toyota. Look's like Chevy has maybe learned their lesson in terms of product. Now can they build a reputation for long-term quality? More importantly, can they survive the whirlwind they are currently reaping to do it? IMO they blew it with Saturn, but now it seems like back to basics. Quality for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I never liked the Toyota's I test drove. The Ford and Chevy's always felt better. I'd never own a Chevy or Ford though because they are so incredibly overpriced. That and I know when I buy a Nissan, Toyota, or Honda that I won't ever have to worry about reliability. Meanwhile my friend is dealing with his Chrysler PT Cruiser which needs a new engine because of a design flaw that they know about but won't recall. Seriously I'd love to buy American but they had better be building up to par and they'd better take care of their customers, otherwise they will fail. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phildogger Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Ford and Chevy are overpriced, compared to Toyota or Nissan? I remember not too long ago, Chevy and Toyota were building the Corolla and Geo Prism on the same assembly line. The Toyota was $4000 dollars more. Chryslers and Dodge are {censored}e, I agree. But Ford and Chevy are a lot more reliable these days then 30 years ago. And in some cases, better engineered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Banta Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I won't buy a Chevy or a Dodge because they were bailed out. Besides, according to CR, they are still far behind Honda, Toyota & Ford for reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted April 4, 2009 Author Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Meanwhile my friend is dealing with his Chrysler PT Cruiser which needs a new engine because of a design flaw that they know about but won't recall.Seriously I'd love to buy American but they had better be building up to par and they'd better take care of their customers, otherwise they will fail.Dan I had a Ford Taurus with a design flaw in the radiator that they knew about but wouldn't rectify over the lifespan of that generation. Nothing builds customer loyalty like rads failing at 52K and rotors warping beyond repair before the first turn. I put less than 10K on that car and sold it because the failures were scaring the {censored} out of my wallet. In short, I feel the same way. Until I have proof that domestic automakers take their customers' convenience and wallets seriously, they won't get another dime from me. They destroyed their street cred and now have to work three times as hard to get it back. You'll see me in a Honda or even a Mazda until then. But I'm rooting for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 In the early '90s, while at Los Alamos, I worked on the development of a fuel cell power vehicle with GM. They were intent on "teaching us about the car business" and one of the things they taught us was not to be concerned with any part lasting over 100K miles as original owners didn't keep a car that long. When considering a GM product, I always keep this in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psilocybin Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 My 1990 Nissan 4x4 pickup works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ezstep Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I will continue to buy Ford trucks (I have two currently - 1998 F150 ext. cab with 109K miles, and 2002 Sport Trak with 77K miles), but I haven't seen the car yet better than my wife's Avalon, at least not for the extra money they'd want. I am pretty sure she will buy another Avalon when this one wears out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Japanese cars have no soul and the people who buy them have no dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ezstep Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Japanese cars have no soul and the people who buy them have no dicks. That's true! My wife bought one. :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Japanese cars have no soul and the people who buy them have no dicks. Yes, because Taurus and Cobalts scream soul to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I love my bimmer, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JeffBass Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I totally dig the Chevy HHR in blue or black, with the big wheels and chrome rails. There's a 265hp SS version now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 That's true! My wife bought one. :poke: I rest my case your honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I've owned two camaros, and absolutely loved them to pieces... I am obsessed with them. Having said that, I think my next car will be an STi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JeffBass Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 The new Cobalt SS did extremely well in track tests vs the WRX, GTI, Civic SI, and quite a few others. Came in second overall in speed and handling manuevers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g.ghost Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 A buddy of mine bought a new Olds (obviously a few years back) and the fuel pump went with only 20 K on it. He was raving to me about how great it was that GM had 24 hour roadside assistance and how they picked him up after he had called them from the side of the highway....I think the point to be made was a car with 20K on it should not leave someone stranded at the side of the highway in the first place. If you want reliability you have to go with one of the big 3....Toyota, Honda or Nissan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 A buddy of mine bought a new Olds (obviously a few years back) and the fuel pump went with only 20 K on it. He was raving to me about how great it was that GM had 24 hour roadside assistance and how they picked him up after he had called them from the side of the highway....I think the point to be made was a car with 20K on it should not leave someone stranded at the side of the highway in the first place. If you want reliability you have to go with one of the big 3....Toyota, Honda or Nissan. Completely agree. As far as I'm concerned, anything under 50k should run absolutely perfectly. On the other hand, {censored} happens. I give them props for the good CS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members King Kashue Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Not that I'm bitter that they discontinued camaros for it anything............. :mad: :mad: What? Cobalts didn't replace Camaros... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 What? Cobalts didn't replace Camaros... I could've sworn that's what I read quite awhile ago... Camaros were discontinued for a more modern car, and it turned into the Cobalt... Either way, guess what, Camaros were discontinued for awhile, and the ugly Cobalts were allowed to roam free. Blasphamy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Having said that, I think my next car will be an STi. Good luck with that. Car and Driver Magazine attempted to do a long term road test on a 2008 STi, but to date haven't been able to complete it because they can't keep the car running long enough. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/long_term_road_tests/2008_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_long_term_road_test_update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Good luck with that. Car and Driver Magazine attempted to do a long term road test on a 2008 STi, but to date haven't been able to complete it because they can't keep the car running long enough.http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/long_term_road_tests/2008_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_long_term_road_test_update Sounds like they got a lemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gspointer Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Man I hope my Honda is almost as good as my Chevy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 Subaru FTW!!! :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 JAPAN GOOD AMERICA BAD CAR GENERALIZATIONS YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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