Members Ender_rpm Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 a redesigned Grand Cherokee And according to this Article they won't have the small cars that are suppossed to make them competitive again until 2010, and won't have a new sedan until 2011. Give them the first full yea to work out the teething problems every new model car has, and we're lookin at a company that will keep needing handouts for 2-3 years, minimum. Something tells me it would have been faster and cheaper to just IMPORT Fiats and have the gubmint pay for them outright. ssigh... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members B-Bottom Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chris-dax Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 it's a moot point...no one is going to buy anything from that company anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Was the Grand Cherokee earning them profit before this? If so, what would possibly be dumb about keeping it around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ivanthetrble Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Was the Grand Cherokee earning them profit before this? If so, what would possibly be dumb about keeping it around? Well, for one, if gas goes back up to $4 again and end up with a lot full of 16-18mpg SUVs that no one wants to buy, that doesn't seem to be the smartest to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reverend179 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Was the Grand Cherokee earning them profit before this? If so, what would possibly be dumb about keeping it around? How many Smart cars do you see these days? I see tons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greenshag Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Was the Grand Cherokee earning them profit before this? If so, what would possibly be dumb about keeping it around? IIRC from the prior threads, that was the one model that folks pretty much agreed they found to be a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Was the Grand Cherokee earning them profit before this? If so, what would possibly be dumb about keeping it around? It doesn't fit in with the ecological views of their new masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 How many Smart cars do you see these days? I see tons. I just saw one this morning on my way to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 It doesn't fit in with the ecological views of their new masters. Exactly. A profitable vehicle improves the company's bottom line, no matter what the PC freaks are crying about. Unless of course, the new masters aren't concerned with improving the bottom line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 How many Smart cars do you see these days? I see tons. Today I'm driving up to Wisconsin and back. I will count the number of Smart cars I see, and the number of Grand Cherokee's. Would you like to make a wager on which one I see more of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Why are they concentrating on "fuel efficient V6s"? Fiat has some really nice cars with very fuel efficient turbodiesel engines. Someone show Chrysler the door... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted June 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted June 10, 2009 How many Smart cars do you see these days? I see tons.Doesn't matter how many, even though the answer is zero. What matters is profitablility. Small econoboxes aren't the bread and butter moneymakers of automakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Why are they concentrating on "fuel efficient V6s"? Fiat has some really nice cars with very fuel efficient turbodiesel engines. Someone show Chrysler the door... For starters, they need to sell cars now, not in a year from now or more, and as of now there isn't anywhere near as many places to buy diesel fuel, and no one is going to buy a car where they can't easily find fuel. It makes perfect sense to improve the gasoline engines as much as possible, since that will help sell cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Today I'm driving up to Wisconsin and back. I will count the number of Smart cars I see, and the number of Grand Cherokee's. Would you like to make a wager on which one I see more of? In the Bay Area I see a few Smarts but many, many, many more Prius. Not too many new Jeep Cherokees, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ivanthetrble Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Why are they concentrating on "fuel efficient V6s"? Fiat has some really nice cars with very fuel efficient turbodiesel engines. Someone show Chrysler the door... Exactly! We got rid of all our gas hogs about a year ago and I now drive a 4 cylider Honda Civic. Less emissions, cut my fuel use in half. When I was in Scotland my rental car was a VW Passat wagon. I got about 45mpg and nearly 600 miles per tank. Loved it and wish I could find something similar in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 In the Bay Area I see a few Smarts but many, many, many more Prius. Not too many new Jeep Cherokees, though. You won't find that's the case for pretty much the rest of the country. There is a NEED for trucks and SUV's, especially in the winter belt regions, that will never be met with tiny little passenger day runner cars. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 For starters, they need to sell cars now, not in a year from now or more, and as of now there isn't anywhere near as many places to buy diesel fuel, and no one is going to buy a car where they can't easily find fuel. It makes perfect sense to improve the gasoline engines as much as possible, since that will help sell cars. There is no problem finding diesel. Almost every station sells it. TD cars get 50-70mpg. There's not much they can do to improve the fuel efficiency of the petrol powerplants. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 How many Smart cars do you see these days? I see tons. The Smart Car dealer near me just went out of business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 You won't find that's the case for pretty much the rest of the country. There is a NEED for trucks and SUV's, especially in the winter belt regions, that will never be met with tiny little passenger day runner cars. Ever. So what happened to Chrysler and GM? You guy's didn't buy enough trucks and SUVs, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted June 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted June 10, 2009 There is no problem finding diesel. Almost every station sells it. .Not here. In colder climates the diesels gel up in winter, too. People don't want to worry about plugging in block heaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 I see many more Smarts than Chrysler/Jeep dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrJoshua Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 WTF is a Smart car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 WTF is a Smart car? It's a great little European car that they build a crummy American version of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Everybody in this thread seems to be forgetting that Smart was a Daimler-Chrysler product. In fact, one with a horrible sales record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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