Members Unfed Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 just saw this when checking a link from another forum. can't imagine what it would cost though... http://home.netspeed.com.au/aistorm/esqm.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Wow that's sweet! Its my dream to have nice controllers like that for every synth. From the thread title I was about to recommend the ESQ-1 as one of the worst controllers. I think it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChipCurtis Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 I thought I remembered somebody saying that on the ESQ1 you have to retrigger a key to hear the change after tweaking, which would mean this device couldn't be used for performance tweaking, just programming. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crawling Wind Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Man, that looks sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Does anyone have any idea about the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by ChipCurtis I thought I remembered somebody saying that on the ESQ1 you have to retrigger a key to hear the change after tweaking, which would mean this device couldn't be used for performance tweaking, just programming. Is this correct? You'd be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wetwareinterface Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 actually you don't need to retrigger the key to hear cc message changes just nrpn changes. kinda funky that way but the filter can be controlled in realtime using a mod source that's a cc. if using nrpn over midi then no you need to retrigger. just thought id clear it up so people don't bypass the excellent esq-1 thinking for performance it's useless. and yes i want that programmer box.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AvS Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Looks very nice. But seriously, how many do they think they'll be able to sell? Cant be very many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Malik Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Any idea what the price tag is on this baby? I find it very interesting that someone would go to such lengths to create a probably 3-400 controller for a board that is currently going for 150 bucks. Of course, I think the ESQ-1 is worth 4 times as much, but still man...kudos to the diehard curtis chip fans. Maybe this will drive up the prices of the SQ line. Just got my SQ-80 in the mail yesterday...pristine condition. What a beautiful machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GlassPrisoner Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by ChipCurtis I thought I remembered somebody saying that on the ESQ1 you have to retrigger a key to hear the change after tweaking, which would mean this device couldn't be used for performance tweaking, just programming. Is this correct? Yeah, I remember I tried to do a filter sweep using the slider. Anyway, that controller looks sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members droolmaster0 Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Wow - that thing does look great. I have a recently purchased esq-m, too... I just emailed them to find out what the price will be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rabid Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 How do you ever remember what each knob does? I have enough trouble remembering the assignments on my Nord Modular Rack. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unfed Posted August 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 ? they all look pretty clearly labelled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hyperstationjr Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 I wonder if anyone has a detailed CC message list. I have an ESQ1 and I'd love to make a patch editor with my Nord G2... anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unfed Posted August 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 am i wrong in thinking it probably works through sysex and not CCs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members droolmaster0 Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by Unfed am i wrong in thinking it probably works through sysex and not CCs? I got the impression from looking at their site that it works off controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unfed Posted August 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 how so? "ESQm Controller Providing complete realtime and hands on control of all the parameters of Ensoniq's ESQ-1 and ESQm synths this controller provides the complete synthesis experience. Bringing the control and user interface of a monster analog synth to the ESQ synths with their modern synth features like memory, polyphony, and stable tuning delivers a throughly powerful and useable synth. For those of you not familliar with the ESQ synths they are an analog synth with digital sampled oscillators, there are: * 3x Oscillators per voice, 32 waveforms, sync and ampltude modulation between oscillators 1 and 2 * 4x Envelope generators per voice, 5 point with velocity sensitivity and keyboard scaling * 3x LFO's per voice, each with integral ramp generators and 4 waveforms * 1x 24dB/octave analog low pass filter per voice with resonance The analog signal path is fixed but all the control signals (CV's) are free to be patched between the components which is where the patch bay comes in. The controllers complete 60 point patch bay allows intuitive control over the routing in real time just like any patchable analog synth. Quickly connect any input to any output, modulate the oscillators by an LFO modulated with an envelope, patch inputs together and run them from a single output, setup a crossfade between all 3 oscillators, anything becomes possible and its all done physically without any menus or computer editors. Then hit save and everything is stored just like any other synth, next time you call up the voice the entire patch is recreated without the need to put all the cables back in. Its also possible edit the routings in a saved voice by simply patching over the parts you want to change, again without the need to rebuild the whole patch.No longer is real patching limited to the domain of analog modulars." i'm not sure i've heard of anybody using a midi controller sending CCs with an ESQ. i think it'd be more well known and widely used if it were possible. ie - i don't think every parameter is mapped to a CC by default... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sealed Posted August 13, 2005 Members Share Posted August 13, 2005 I'm using Emagic SoundDiver to edit my ESQ. SoundDiver controls ESQ with SysEx (yes, not CCs). But it does not support realtime parameter change. That is, each time you move a slider, SoundDiver sends the whole patch. Fortunately the patch data is relatively short (102bytes), the editor works. So I wonder how the knob works.* It may be that ESQ does support realtime parameter change SysEx, and the knobs works fine. It's just that SoundDiver ESQ editor was incomplete.* Or it may be that ESQ does not support realtime parameter change, and the knob box works like my SoundDiver. As one knob movement sends 102bytes MIDI messages, the control may not be smooth. I don't have ESQ's MIDI documentation, and it will clarify the situation. Please tell me if anyone has one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members droolmaster0 Posted August 13, 2005 Members Share Posted August 13, 2005 I just got an email back.....this thing will be EXPENSIVE, if it ever reaches the market. What you see is just a prototype. Potentially the cost can come down, but when I did the conversion from AUD, it was still in the neighborhood of $1000. I dunno - the esq-m is a nice synth, but would anyone spend this much to control it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unfed Posted August 13, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 13, 2005 pfffftt... :shakes head: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted August 13, 2005 Members Share Posted August 13, 2005 For $1000, I would expect something with say 30 rotaries and 10 sliders with OLED displays like that computer keyboard shown recently. It would be like a hardware SoundDiver, but each pot would have a label of what it does. I suppose this could be done with LED/LCD but I think OLED is supposed to end up cheaper. Maybe I'll sketch what I'm thinking of an build one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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