Lets talk about porn

[miles mayhem]

Originally posted by jcn37203 Yes, that is a much more thought-out and thorough way to say what I was getting at. I think the same thing, to a lesser degree because there isn't the strong biological impulse, is true for underage drinking.

I thought you said it perfectly well the first time, but it seemed to me that people weren't understanding your point based on their counter-arguments. I agree with you on the underage drinking thing as well.

[Thelonius]

Originally posted by miles mayhem It really depends on what you mean by distrusting statistics.

 

 

Best post ever. Well maybe not ever since it's about stats. But pretty damn good.

 

I always tell people that statistics do not lie. They are numbers and incapable of lying. Only people who are either a) bad at statistics or b) confident in a gullable public that will not check the verfiability of the application can lie.

 

I see statistics misused every day. Particularly in the news.

[seifukusha]

Originally posted by veil Ah, such as the comtemporary terms, "burn," "snap," or the ubiquitous "owned."

"burn" reminds me of KELSO from thast 70s show!

I would say Japan is the kingdom of porn, its every wehre, and its freaky as hell. I have to say I dont like porn, its kind of boring to me, then again, its useful when youre lonely, hehe. Its not for me, but then again, everyone {censored}s or wants to. Ill say this though, Im thankful Japan has alot of pron, alot of my past honeys leanred some very interesting stuff from it....

[80k]

Originally posted by miles mayhem I thought you said it perfectly well the first time, but it seemed to me that people weren't understanding your point based on their counter-arguments. I agree with you on the underage drinking thing as well.

 

 

well i understood it fine, and i actually agree with him. My point is that it is getting a bit sidetracked. Sure, I think a culture that teaches kids that sex is tabboo is a bad idea, and likely to lead to more sexual development problems than a culture that is honest about it. But when it comes to whether teenage guys of all cultures enjoy watching people {censored} (and i ask this with no implied negative judgement, whatsoever), i think they more or less do, regardless of culture.

 

When it comes to porn, i'm not talking about negative impacts of porn on sexual development. I'm just wondering whether all teenage guys pretty much enjoy watching other people {censored}, and enjoy watching a lot of it.

 

 

[80k]

now to draw a parallel to the underage drinking thing...

i think that i would absolutely agree that underage drinking is more problematic in countries that forbid it. I would say this based on observing asian and european cultures that allow their youths to try alcohol at a younger age, and how they seem to be much more mature about it than americans.

So if you guys are saying that underage drinking is more of a PROBLEM in countries that say it's tabboo, then yea i agree with you. But if you guys are saying that countries that say it's tabboo result in youths that ENJOY alcohol more, then i do NOT agree with it. The same goes with the sex thing. I wasn't disagreeing with JCN. I was trying to say that wasn't my point. My point is that all cultures like porn. Whether it's a problem depends on the culture.

anyway, hope that clarifies it a bit.

[extremelybored]

Originally posted by 80k there's generally two porn-watching scenarios: 1. whoa, these girls {censored} into each others' assholes? this i HAVE to see! (this would not involve masturbation)

On that matter:

www.schoolsmells.tk

Don't go there unless you have a strong stomach (along the lines of Tubgirl)... In fact I wouldn't go there anyway! (where's the queasy smiley?)

[Sir Don]

This reminds me of a joke:

I remember the first time I had sex...





















I only wish somebody else was there with me.

[Hell Bites]

Bump

[#16]

Originally posted by jcn37203 Seriously, porn is a huge part of society. The amount of porn items sold is mind-boggling, and that's just on the record stuff, not even counting Ebay sales. So, a few questions. 1. Is it actually harmful to adolesents? I'm talking 12, 13 year olds. Puberty age people, not small children. I can personally attest to the fact that I was an online free porn fan at the age of 13. How has porn harmed me? The claim that it effects moral development seems dubious to me. I can tell you that much of the same images I was interested in at 13 seem sad or disgusting to me today, which is contrary to the belief that they encourage people to enjoy deviant behavior later in life. 2. Porn addiction - is this a real problem? If so, what are the effects of it? 3. If porn is so evil, then how do we explain other modern cultures where porn is not a big deal at all, and nudity and sex are just every day aspects of life. Rumor has it many college initiation ceremonies in countries like Sweden involve co-ed nudity that would drive American college boys to the brink of bruising masterbation. Who really is healthier? 4. Do people actually believe Parental Controls are effective? Are they effective? I doubt it personally, but I've never used them. So enlighten me if I am wrong, please. My personal bias is probably obvious in the way I posed the questions. This is because half of my childhood was spent in Europe, where I saw sexuality and nudity displayed in public on a regular basis. I'm no priest or anything, but I don't think I turned out too bad, morally speaking. but I am interested in real, respectful, level-headed and spirited debate from those who disagree. I am not interested in insulting or belittling anyone. I just want to hear how other people feel about it.

One word....
BRIDGET!

[varialbender]

Wow, I'm proud, a few of you are really smart guys

Porn, sex, alcohol, drugs, etc... hell, even music and other artforms in some countries, they're all very similar: the more you're told you can't have it, the more you want it. That's been stated a few times, and I fully agree.
My brother, for years, was the biggest anti-drug guy there was, and all of the sudden, he has his first experience with drugs, and now he's going too far into it. That's not the same as being told not to, it was his own doing, but it enforces the idea that absence leads to excess.
My dad's always let me have beer when I was younger, and I've never liked it, but the fact that he let me is a big reason for my boredome with drinking. I don't find underaged drinking exciting: it was a part of my childhood. Of course, I didn't have much: a couple sips here and there.

Also, it's been stated that catalysts should be removed to keep the timebombs from going off, and I fully disagree with that. That's a quick-fix, and I know it won't work. The right way is a bit more difficult: don't raise timebombs. There are a ton of factors, and that's what makes it so difficult, but it's the only thing that will ever work. Better education, better media, better parenting, etc... It won't ever be fully solved, but it's a better route than trying to ban anything that ever accidentaly set off a timebomb.

To add my own personal experiences with porn: I tend to enjoy it. My girlfriend doesn't match me in libido, so I resort to porn fairly often. They're definitely two different worlds, and it's a cheap and lesser substitute. If she had the same libido I did, I don't think I'd watch porn.
On another note, my girlfriend's a bit naive, and we recently got in an argument about porn, as she didn't think I watched it. These sorts of things come up often and can prove to be problematic because she grew up in an all-girls private school with no male contacts. I think sex was seen as pretty taboo for her while growing up, and I think that's a lot more problematic than porn is.

[Herr Masel]

Some people mentioned this, and I want to add that the thing I noticed when I started having sex is that it IS alot different than what porn looks like (I thought so before I ever had sex but didn't have the experience to validate this). To me porn really loses its appeal when I can have the real thing. All the sick stuff really started looking sick to me, and even though the practice was limited by what my partner wanted/would not do the overall sensation is a lot more real, not only because it is a real experience but in that like most things in life you can feel the deeper connection it has to everything else, while porn sexual desire (or raving) focused into a very sharp point, which is very unrealistic.

I haven't been having sex lately and the urge to look at porn has gone up, and this thread reminded me that even though I like porn I can sometimes in retrospect see how it has affected my view of sex or women, unconsciously.

Porn is based on fantasy, at least initially, so you can't say it's not "human" or natural. There are girls (and guys) who really enjoy anal sex or getting cummed on the face, it doesn't have to just be a power trip for someone's crippled ego. But I do think most porn I've seen is without the proper direction, and sometimes it becomes a novelty or a frame where everyone tries to push the envelope - one girl takes on twelve dicks, baseball bats down her throat, choked and spat on etc... like I said before it becomes too focused on the quantity of desire/depravity experienced, disconnected from the proper context.

[TheGZeus,OnFire]

Originally posted by adolf One word.... BRIDGET!

[BillyGrahamCracker]

Originally posted by varialbender she grew up in an all-girls private school with no male contacts. I think sex was seen as pretty taboo for her while growing up

 

 

That's HAWT!!!

[orourke]

Most of this thread is about the effects of porn on the people (mainly men) who watch the stuff.

But what conserns me is fact the porn has gotten so nasty. It's gotten common for very young girls (18 or 19, damn their just dumb lost kids) to be slapped, choked and take multiple cocks up the ass. I really feel sorry for these kids. The girls rarely seem like they having orgasams or even enjoying the sex. The viewer may fantasize that the young girls are enjoying this abuse, but I'd bet that for the most part they are just enduring it for the money.

I like porn, but I wish it didn't have to be so mean spirited.

[ottobahn]

When I was in my early twenties, a friend of mine was about to have a friend, his wife and three young daughters stay with him for about a week. He did not want his porn collection in the house so he asked me if I would keep it at my place until they left.

I agreed. For the next week I watched almost all the porn he had which was probably 20 VHS tapes (a lot fast forwarding involved).

It really skewed my thinking for a while. Every time I would see a television show I would expect them to start having intercourse. When I would see women on the street I would half expect them to become part of some cheap sex fantasy.

After the advent of newsgroup binaries, I started downloading porn stills and movies. It got so I never had enough. I became obsessive about collecting it. It was ridiculous.

I pretty much grew out of it by the time I was into my thirties and had a wife and family.

If I do chance to view it I still find it titillating but I resist it as a rule because it is so addictive. Plus it would be rather embarrassing if my wife or kids saw it.

I really believe that porn releases a drug in men's brains that makes it addictive. Probably dopamine and epinephrine.

[TheGZeus,OnFire]

Originally posted by ottobahn When I was in my early twenties, a friend of mine was about to have a friend, his wife and three young daughters stay with him for about a week. He did not want his porn collection in the house so he asked me if I would keep it at my place until they left. I agreed. For the next week I watched almost all the porn he had which was probably 20 VHS tapes (a lot fast forwarding involved). It really skewed my thinking for a while. Every time I would see a television show I would expect them to start having intercourse. When I would see women on the street I would half expect them to become part of some cheap sex fantasy. After the advent of newsgroup binaries, I started downloading porn stills and movies. It got so I never had enough. I became obsessive about collecting it. It was ridiculous. I pretty much grew out of it by the time I was into my thirties and had a wife and family. If I do chance to view it I still find it titillating but I resist it as a rule because it is so addictive. Plus it would be rather embarrassing if my wife or kids saw it. I really believe that porn releases a drug in men's brains that makes it addictive. Probably dopamine and epinephrine.

Parts of your brain associate it with masturbation, which releases seratonin.
You do it enough, you're basically a low-dose coke addict.

Hi, I'm a low dose coke addict with a busy enough schedule I can only blast once aday unless I'm home sick.

I have about 20-30 gigs of porn, 90+% is B&W still images.
Japanese eromanga.
No real people's innocence was harmed in the making of most of my porn.

WAAY better stories, too.

It also removes that problem of expecting thigns to go erotic.
It allows many things that are impossible to happen, which further removes it from reality(occasionally too much, and then my suspension of disbelief goes PFFFT and I have to get to another story.

[EvilThatMenDo]

go to www.break.com and watch the first video on the page. WOW- the internet is for porn. classic.

[StratStevo]

Originally posted by EvilThatMenDo go to www.break.com and watch the first video on the page. WOW- the internet is for porn. classic.

"So grab your dick and double click!"

[Jaggery]

Originally posted by bobby yarrow It's true, especially for the connoisseur. French porn, tho limited paradoxically by the fact that all but the nastiest {censored} can be shown on tv, is pretty sublime. Plus, you can feel vaguely artsy about it.

 

 

Also expensive in North America. I havent seen them for rental and Dont want to spend too much on BUYING porn just to watch it a few times.

 

There is a Canadian porn company that makes porn with beautiful couples. explcit but devoid of too much sucking and no jizzing. The name excapes me, I heard about it on the radio but could not find anymore. They said they have "stunning" beautiful chicks.

[Hell Bites]

Wow, so many really insightful posts. Just a couple of thoughts:

Originally posted by 80k i have a question for anyone that wants to answer it: do you assume that for the most part, teenage boys want and will seek as much porn as they can reasonably get as long as it's practical. And that it has little to do with social, cultural, and family upbringing? (of course those with strict religious upbringing might choose not to SEEK it, out of fear, but they would still want it, even if they are repressing it). the reason i ask is that i have not personally witnessed or analyzed any correlation between someone's upbringing and the amount of porn (or the level of depravity of the porn) that he seeks.

In my experience when I was a teenager (I'm 20 now) in junior high and high school I didn't know any fellow guys who hadn't ever looked at porn. I think we all had the temptation. Part of the fact it that it is taboo I think. There's tons of violence on tv but if there even one exposed breast, everyone is aghast. It's ridiculous. It's kinda like a parent saying, "Now don't go in that room." Once they say that you're going to want to go in that room.

[Hell Bites]

Originally posted by orourke Most of this thread is about the effects of porn on the people (mainly men) who watch the stuff. But what conserns me is fact the porn has gotten so nasty. It's gotten common for very young girls (18 or 19, damn their just dumb lost kids) to be slapped, choked and take multiple cocks up the ass. I really feel sorry for these kids. The girls rarely seem like they having orgasams or even enjoying the sex. The viewer may fantasize that the young girls are enjoying this abuse, but I'd bet that for the most part they are just enduring it for the money. I like porn, but I wish it didn't have to be so mean spirited.

 

 

I agree. I'll admit I don't mind looking at porn now and then but what really disturbs me is the increase in porn that involves abusing women. They have websites devoted to slapping women in the face, choking them, and watching them cry. I think it's really sickening. I like porn when the women is really enjoying it.

 

Also, does it bother anyone else when I guy is gonna give a chick a facial or drop a load in her mouth and she obviously doesn't want it so she closely her eyes and has her mouth shut? That's so un-sexy. If they're gonna do it, make sure the women wants it, Christ...

[A 11]

Porn: from late Greek pornographos, writing about prostitutes : porn, prostitute. Yes porn is bad for people. It's a form of prostitution. I think it messes up people's heads. Not to mention what it does to women. People can become addicted to it so to speak. Costing men lots of money, real relationships, etc..

Have you ever wondered where all of the money that is spent on porn goes? Well I'll tell you. It's going to make a lot of evil bastards rich. A lot of photograhic pimps to be exact. Is that the kind of people you want to bless with all of your hard earned money?