Lets talk about porn

[gappie]

Originally posted by sonaboy I would say you're incorrect. The idea that sex and the body are dirty and obscene is what hinders our sexual development. the fact that this mindset holds sway over our nation actually makes it easy for artless interpretation of sex to flourish. if everyone were more open about their sexuality, what purpose it serves, and viewed the body and it's functions as a thing of beauty and grace, then porn would be revealed for what it is - clumsy, artless pandering. Half of porn's appeal is that it's "forbidden." I mean..if you doubt me - go have a look at how a good percentage of it is marketed. If the stigma was taken away, only the truly repressed would seek it out. having said that, i always remember what Woody Allen said about sex when i get to serious about this topic - "It's the most fun you can have without laughing."

 

 

mmm. incorrect? maybe it is because your nation is different than 'my nation'(what ever that is) . what you say is actualy what i was tryin to say but out of a differnt angle.

 

but.. it is pornography that now dictates how sexuality works. what a man and especially a woman should do. it sets a standard especialy in the minds of men. did you ever tried to deepthroat somebody? do you think every woman should like to do it. sexuality is about exploring each others feelings and lusts, not workin of all the things that should be done according to the porn movies. you even see it in the viagra spam. make your seemen taste better or what ever... bull{censored}.

 

to put it in an other perspective.. in east germany.. that is were i live now, there was always the free body culture. swimming nacked when you want to, old, ugly, thick or thin.. still is there but it is disapearing not because nowadays a body is seen as obsene and dirty, but because it is seen as a lustobject only.

[jcn37203]

Man I saw this one website, I wish I could remember what it was. But it was selling these pills that supposedly gave you more semen when you orgasm. The site was presented very well, very clinical and official looking and stuff. But then on the side they had these links to porn videos, which they called "product demonstrations".

Pretty weird.

[80k]

Originally posted by bobby yarrow Four or five feet? Now I'm feeling small.

 

 

http://www.iwantmysementoshoot.com/

[bucket_brigadier]

I'll just have to say that by and large I love porn, hard and soft. I think it's pretty natural to enjoy looking at nude women/people having sex. I tend to prefer looking at naked hot chicks over actual sex scenes myself.

There are a lot of negative aspects to how a lot of porn is presented, not to mention how the work probably affects a lot of the subjects of pornography. Society has a major double standard when it comes to sex. We consume ungodly amounts of porn, but to actually work in the industry will mark you as a pariah to many. I, for one, would not want to have a pornstar/stripper girlfriend. A nude model who didn't actually engage in sex acts with random men, however, I could probably get with. I'm sure that a lot of women who do porn aren't very emotionally healthy to begin with, and they probably go downhill from there.

I think most of the softer erotica like Playboy and Perfect 10 are pretty respectful toward their subjects. Most harder core stuff, like Hustler (which has some pretty damn titilating photo spreads IMO), can be pretty degrading toward women, and the literature surrounding the imagery is rife with misogyny and chauvinism. Larry Flynt is a very interesting fellow. On one level, he's a free speech champion, and has even facilitated some pretty good muckraking journalism over the years. On another level, I think he often does present women in a pretty degrading light. When I "read" Hustler, I feel that I can take the good in and spit the bad out like watermelon seeds. Others, especially younger kids, I'm not so sure. I think it could lead to developing a warped or unhealthy perspective of sexuality. Then there's Penthouse, which is almost as graphic as Hustler (at least until quite recently), but for the most part approaches erotica with a more respectful attitude towards women. I think that really explicit sexual imagery is fine, I know that I like it. But I'd like to see it divorced from the degrading attitudes that often frame it.

Another problem I have with porn today is the constant focus on taboo (which probably indicates a pretty jaded audience). I don't think that there's anything wrong with anal sex, blowing wads on chicks faces, a little choking, etc. among willing participants. But looking at hardcore porn today, you'd almost think that girls want it up the poop chute more than they do the vagina, which is of course ridiculous. I think this constant focus on the "extreme" is in poor taste. Like I said, I just like watching hot chicks get it on (or take it off) like everyday people. The ubiquitousness of big old dayglo dildos also annoys me. Sex toys these days look like {censored}ing bongs. I don't want to see bongs protruding from her {censored}...I want to see her {censored}!

Democracy Now host Amy Goodman has done some interesting and though provoking coverage on the subject. Here's a link to her interview with Larry Flynt:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/03/1359257

And here's a link to a discussion she moderated between leading feminists Susie Bright and Susan Brison:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/17/1354242

very thought provoking stuff.

[jcn37203]

The funniest thing in porn, to me, is when you step back and notice that the woman is moaning and acting like she's getting off the whole time the guy is "loading" his "shotgun".

It's like... they're not even touching, but she's still making all the noise. Because otherwise it would just be silent and the audience would realize they're essentially watching another guy wank it.

Originally posted by lou_weed I'll just have to say that by and large I love porn, hard and soft. I think it's pretty natural to enjoy looking at nude women/people having sex. I tend to prefer looking at naked hot chicks over actual sex scenes myself. There are a lot of negative aspects to how a lot of porn is presented, not to mention how the work probably affects a lot of the subjects of pornography. Society has a major double standard when it comes to sex. We consume ungodly amounts of porn, but to actually work in the industry will mark you as a pariah to many. I, for one, would not want to have a pornstar/stripper girlfriend. A nude model who didn't actually engage in sex acts with random men, however, I could probably get with. I'm sure that a lot of women who do porn aren't very emotionally healthy to begin with, and they probably go downhill from there. I think most of the softer erotica like Playboy and Perfect 10 are pretty respectful toward their subjects. Most harder core stuff, like Hustler (which has some pretty damn titilating photo spreads IMO), can be pretty degrading toward women, and the literature surrounding the imagery is rife with misogyny and chauvinism. Larry Flynt is a very interesting fellow. On one level, he's a free speech champion, and has even facilitated some pretty good muckraking journalism over the years. On another level, I think he often does present women in a pretty degrading light. When I "read" Hustler, I feel that I can take the good in and spit the bad out like watermelon seeds. Others, especially younger kids, I'm not so sure. I think it could lead to developing a warped or unhealthy perspective of sexuality. Then there's Penthouse, which is almost as graphic as Hustler (at least until quite recently), but for the most part approaches erotica with a more respectful attitude towards women. I think that really explicit sexual imagery is fine, I know that I like it. But I'd like to see it divorced from the degrading attitudes that often frame it. Another problem I have with porn today is the constant focus on taboo (which probably indicates a pretty jaded audience). I don't think that there's anything wrong with anal sex, blowing wads on chicks faces, a little choking, etc. among willing participants. But looking at hardcore porn today, you'd almost think that girls want it up the poop chute more than they do the vagina, which is of course ridiculous. I think this constant focus on the "extreme" is in poor taste. Like I said, I just like watching hot chicks get it on (or take it off) like everyday people. The ubiquitousness of big old dayglo dildos also annoys me. Sex toys these days look like {censored}ing bongs. I don't want to see bongs protruding from her {censored}...I want to see her {censored}! Democracy Now host Amy Goodman has done some interesting and though provoking coverage on the subject. Here's a link to her interview with Larry Flynt: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/03/1359257 And here's a link to a discussion she moderated between leading feminists Susie Bright and Susan Brison: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/17/1354242 very thought provoking stuff.

 

[Matt_plan-R]

This thread is useless w/o pics

[Thelonius]

Originally posted by lou_weed I'll just have to say that by and large I love porn, hard and soft. I think it's pretty natural to enjoy looking at nude women/people having sex. I tend to prefer looking at naked hot chicks over actual sex scenes myself. There are a lot of negative aspects to how a lot of porn is presented, not to mention how the work probably affects a lot of the subjects of pornography. Society has a major double standard when it comes to sex. We consume ungodly amounts of porn, but to actually work in the industry will mark you as a pariah to many. I, for one, would not want to have a pornstar/stripper girlfriend. A nude model who didn't actually engage in sex acts with random men, however, I could probably get with. I'm sure that a lot of women who do porn aren't very emotionally healthy to begin with, and they probably go downhill from there. I think most of the softer erotica like Playboy and Perfect 10 are pretty respectful toward their subjects. Most harder core stuff, like Hustler (which has some pretty damn titilating photo spreads IMO), can be pretty degrading toward women, and the literature surrounding the imagery is rife with misogyny and chauvinism. Larry Flynt is a very interesting fellow. On one level, he's a free speech champion, and has even facilitated some pretty good muckraking journalism over the years. On another level, I think he often does present women in a pretty degrading light. When I "read" Hustler, I feel that I can take the good in and spit the bad out like watermelon seeds. Others, especially younger kids, I'm not so sure. I think it could lead to developing a warped or unhealthy perspective of sexuality. Then there's Penthouse, which is almost as graphic as Hustler (at least until quite recently), but for the most part approaches erotica with a more respectful attitude towards women. I think that really explicit sexual imagery is fine, I know that I like it. But I'd like to see it divorced from the degrading attitudes that often frame it. Another problem I have with porn today is the constant focus on taboo (which probably indicates a pretty jaded audience). I don't think that there's anything wrong with anal sex, blowing wads on chicks faces, a little choking, etc. among willing participants. But looking at hardcore porn today, you'd almost think that girls want it up the poop chute more than they do the vagina, which is of course ridiculous. I think this constant focus on the "extreme" is in poor taste. Like I said, I just like watching hot chicks get it on (or take it off) like everyday people. The ubiquitousness of big old dayglo dildos also annoys me. Sex toys these days look like {censored}ing bongs. I don't want to see bongs protruding from her {censored}...I want to see her {censored}! Democracy Now host Amy Goodman has done some interesting and though provoking coverage on the subject. Here's a link to her interview with Larry Flynt: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/03/1359257 And here's a link to a discussion she moderated between leading feminists Susie Bright and Susan Brison: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/17/1354242 very thought provoking stuff.

 

 

Great post.

 

You know it made me think, I love porn but share your views on women. I'm almost what one would consider a femminist but at the same time I look at porn as pure fantasy too. So I don't see disrespect to women as a good thing but certainly not something to model.

 

I have a friend however who is obsessed with pornography, and he's never even had a proper girlfriend. He's had some very short term things here and there but is WAY beyond the age where someone should have something like that. He's not a bad looking guy, very average but he thinks of women as inferior and purely sexual IMO.

 

I'd be lying if I told you I didn't think porn was part of his problem.

[Thelonius]

Queston for the conniseurs. You know how you have regular porn where they smear goo all over women's faces and yank the back of their hair and real upclose shots of every detail and an anal scene every 10 minutes?

and you know the crappy porn on Cinemax late at night where all the women are all plastic surgeried out with concrete looking boobs and they don't show any detail and it's just fake looking?

Is there something in between that?

[corso]

err, yeah. It's called actually having sex with a real person.

[Andersonology]

I really, really like girl-on-girl porn...and only in movie form....the rest to me is rather blaise..

[Fingermush]

Originally posted by 80k i did jizz all over her stomach and tits once, but that was because we were too lazy to use a condom and nothing is less sexy than running over to a trashcan.

true dat, that's why i just throw my hats at the wall, or leave 'em in.

[bobby yarrow]

Originally posted by Thelonius Queston for the conniseurs. You know how you have regular porn where they smear goo all over women's faces and yank the back of their hair and real upclose shots of every detail and an anal scene every 10 minutes? and you know the crappy porn on Cinemax late at night where all the women are all plastic surgeried out with concrete looking boobs and they don't show any detail and it's just fake looking? Is there something in between that?

 

 

You might like John B. Root's porn. I do. Kind of casual, sexy, non-violent (mostly) semi-amateur models, shot nicely. Explicite dot com.

 

If you want those Cinemax girls, but with the full monty, Suze Randall's porn might appeal. It's pretty nice stuff really, as far as straight-ahead porn goes -- which is pretty far in my book. Suze dot net.

 

Porn recommendations. Sweet.

[Rocinante]

I think hardcore porn is having a highly detrimental and irreversible effect on society. Yes, it's clearly addictive as otherwise there wouldn't be so much of it, and there wouldn't be this ever-increasing emphasis on the extreme. As what was once taboo and exciting becomes mainstream, people inevitably are driven to seek ever stranger and harder images in order to satisfy themselves, and the pornographers are there to provide it.

It saddens me deeply that a whole generation of 12 to 13-yr olds (tomorrow it'll be 9-10 yrs olds) are growing up forming their opinions about sexual relationships from what they find on the internet, and it comes as no surprise that (in the UK at least) sexually motivated crime is massively on the increase. Evidence of the insidious effect of hard porn is in the news every day.

[Thelonius]

Originally posted by bobby yarrow You might like John B. Root's porn. I do. Kind of casual, sexy, non-violent (mostly) semi-amateur models, shot nicely. Explicite dot com. If you want those Cinemax girls, but with the full monty, Suze Randall's porn might appeal. It's pretty nice stuff really, as far as straight-ahead porn goes -- which is pretty far in my book. Suze dot net. Porn recommendations. Sweet.

Thanks! I hate cinemax girls.

[Rasta Shaft]

I like the music.

[saturdaysaviour]

Originally posted by Brian Marshall yes there is nothing funnier than a german ladie saying stuff that sounds like hitler screaming at the top of his lungs while shes having an orgasm.

 

 

hahaha it's even funnier in person. russian accent is pretty awesome too.

[riffdaddy]

I enjoy the basic premise of porn: attractive naked women having sex--sometimes with men, sometimes with themselves, and sometimes with eachother. I find myself very turned off by some of the degrading, mysoginistic, and sometimes borderline violent treatment of women, however. I don't buy the idea that this sort of stuff encourages or encites similar behavior in real life. In contrast, I actually feel that this is just an expression of social and sexual frustration of men who aren't able to adequately communicate with women and develop normal, functional relationships (you know the kind--where you spend all your money and apologize every two or three minutes ). Edith Wharton said there are two ways to spread light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. I believe that porn is the mirror.

Still, porn in its basic form can be a lot of fun. My girlfriend (who, by the way, is wayyyy too hot to be with a guy like me) and I use it to get new ideas for positions, locations, etc. When it comes to your average, run-of-the-mill hardcore, there really isn't much of anything there that we're not doing. Life is good.

[Kable]

I can't deny the allure of the female body. I'll be completely honest about that fact. I say this as someone who would consider himself a fairly "spiritual" and "moral" person too.

But all of the degrading stuff that goes on in porn pisses me off to no end. I guess I'm a "nice guy", but I just don't see the point of slapping a woman around, cumshots, gangbangs, and anal sex....Or whatever.

EVERY woman I know (at least happy ones) will admit that they {censored}ing hate the whole idea of those things, but yet, porn seems to spout off some myth that these are "good".

No, my friends ---- Chicks are getting paid to look like crap. That's all. It's just false, and has nothing to do with sex or love. If someone derives pleasure from that (either the giver or taker) there are other deep seated factors at work here.

It just disappoints me because there's alot of stupid kids and insecure people going through life thinking that this is the way things should be.

People talk about Porn being part of a "sexual liberation" -- and that "liberation" can be a good thing in one sense......But most of the time, all I'm seeing is a reassertion of the same old misogynistic values....Or perhaps even a worse form of it. Where's the real "sexual liberation"? Why isn't anyone questioning any of this?

[Roy Brooks]

I actually think a little bit of porn is healthy for a young adolescent. But back when I was a young whippersnapper there was no such thing as the internet. So I had to rely on Juggs, Cheri, and Hustler.
I don't really have an opinion about Parental Controls because I have dogs, not children.
Every now and then I look at free BBW galleries since they are free and I dig larger women. But I end up seeing photos of the same two or three dozen women. Many of them are rather nasty. And I tend to get bored with them quickly.
I am not addicted to porn. It is merely a diversion.

[TheGZeus,OnFire]

I think being told porn was bad was far more damaging to me as an adolescent.

I always got the impression that anything sexual was wrong for children, so I was always dealing with guilt as I was...human.

I love porn. Anything that wouldn't permenantly {censored} you up. But I need a story.

[Rocinante]

Originally posted by Kable I can't deny the allure of the female body. I'll be completely honest about that fact. I say this as someone who would consider himself a fairly "spiritual" and "moral" person too. But all of the degrading stuff that goes on in porn pisses me off to no end. I guess I'm a "nice guy", but I just don't see the point of slapping a woman around, cumshots, gangbangs, and anal sex....Or whatever. EVERY woman I know (at least happy ones) will admit that they {censored}ing hate the whole idea of those things, but yet, porn seems to spout off some myth that these are "good". No, my friends ---- Chicks are getting paid to look like crap. That's all. It's just false, and has nothing to do with sex or love. If someone derives pleasure from that (either the giver or taker) there are other deep seated factors at work here. It just disappoints me because there's alot of stupid kids and insecure people going through life thinking that this is the way things should be. People talk about Porn being part of a "sexual liberation" -- and that "liberation" can be a good thing in one sense......But most of the time, all I'm seeing is a reassertion of the same old misogynistic values....Or perhaps even a worse form of it. Where's the real "sexual liberation"? Why isn't anyone questioning any of this?

Ditto.

Young adolescent males no longer fall in love. They don't worship women any more -- because porn ecourages them to see women as objects to be abused. This is what's damaging to society. I personally think womanhood should be venerated, and that many social problems we see today can be traced to a society which devalues sexuality through the proliferation of hardcore porn.

[TheGZeus,OnFire]

Originally posted by Rocinante Ditto. Young adolescent males no longer fall in love. They don't worship women any more -- because porn ecourages them to see women as objects to be abused. This is what's damaging to society. I personally think womanhood should be venerated, and that many social problems we see today can be traced to a society which devalues sexuality through the proliferation of hardcore porn.

That's silly.

 

I can seperate fantasy from reality.

I doubt people who can would ever be influeced to think a certain way by a work of fiction or any piece of film/photography.

 

speech causes nothing, it's how it's interpereted andhow wel allow it to influence us.

[Rocinante]

Originally posted by TheGZeus,OnFire That's silly. You just DISAGREED with this person. I can seperate fantasy from reality.

Are you 13 yrs old?

 

Explain how I disagreed with Kable.

[TheGZeus,OnFire]

Originally posted by Rocinante Are you 13 yrs old? Explain how I disagreed with Kable.

Mistook their post for another.

 

How would even misunderstanding their intent make me 13 years old?

[BryanMichael]

Originally posted by Rocinante I think hardcore porn is having a highly detrimental and irreversible effect on society. Yes, it's clearly addictive as otherwise there wouldn't be so much of it, and there wouldn't be this ever-increasing emphasis on the extreme. As what was once taboo and exciting becomes mainstream, people inevitably are driven to seek ever stranger and harder images in order to satisfy themselves, and the pornographers are there to provide it. It saddens me deeply that a whole generation of 12 to 13-yr olds (tomorrow it'll be 9-10 yrs olds) are growing up forming their opinions about sexual relationships from what they find on the internet, and it comes as no surprise that (in the UK at least) sexually motivated crime is massively on the increase. Evidence of the insidious effect of hard porn is in the news every day.

 

 

I agree with this in many ways. The sexual experience has been cheapened by access to hardcore porn. Like Gappie said, nudity and sexuality have nothing to do with hard core porn. Sex addictions ARE real and they can cause problems in relationships. If a guy is constantly looking at extreme hardcore porn and associates those images with sexual gratification, he can literally get to the point of not being aroused by his wife or girlfriend anymore, leading to all kinds of insecurities and the destruction of intimacy.

 

But I am also an advocate of a more open dialogue about sexuality, about not freaking out over a nipple on TV, about more open discussion about sex and sexuality. But you know when 8 year old girls are wearing sexually suggestive clothing, I think it does something to contribute to the sexualization of children in general which I think is dangerous. I'm not talking about denying that children ARE sexual beings, but removing all context for that sexuality.

 

I don;t know.