Members gilwe Posted June 11, 2007 Members Share Posted June 11, 2007 What are the chances to get a good fat Hammond sound in the mix by running B4 through an external tube amplifier ?.... Has anyone recorded that way ever ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dejavoodoo Posted June 11, 2007 Members Share Posted June 11, 2007 Don't have a B4, but I recently bought a PreSonus Bluetube and put it in the signal chain right before my DAW. I got a nicer, warmer, fatter sound from my CX3, and I didn't have to add that much. Did some nice things for my pianos and pads as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted June 11, 2007 Members Share Posted June 11, 2007 Even better, crank the gain way up on it with a tube preamp like the Speakeasy, and run it thru a real leslie. You WILL be impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted June 11, 2007 Members Share Posted June 11, 2007 Try to get a hardware clone. The B4 sounds kind of thin to me. It was not bad through a 31H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dan88z Posted June 11, 2007 Members Share Posted June 11, 2007 The only problem with running a tube amp or any other kind of saturation device after a leslie sim is you get fluctuations in the saturation level as the amplitude of the signal changes with the leslie effect. Live it's not so bad but in a recording environment it's probably more of a factor. Outkaster- it's my opinion that ANY organ sound is going to be better thru a real leslie! My Juno 106 lame organ patches sounded good thru mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Karnevil Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 Personally I don't like the B4 at all. Static key click and mushy tone. The B42 is better, but still sounds thin. Personally I would get a C1 from Clavia. You're not going to get a better non-leslied clonewheel sound than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rugge78 Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 I have the same problem using my Ob3 and Boss RT20. The padal has a stellar leslie effect but a {censored}ty overdirve sound. Whot would you think adding a PreSonus Bluetube between pedal and clone? I don't want heavy Od's but a crunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 Personally I don't like the B4 at all. Static key click and mushy tone. The B42 is better, but still sounds thin. Personally I would get a C1 from Clavia. You're not going to get a better non-leslied clonewheel sound than that! XK-3??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bones Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 Personally I don't like the B4 at all. Static key click and mushy tone. The B42 is better, but still sounds thin. Personally I would get a C1 from Clavia. You're not going to get a better non-leslied clonewheel sound than that! I haven't test driven a C1 yet but I have been checking out the electro for EPs and Clavs. I don't understand the C1's use of the electro keybed. Wrong keybed for playing organ. Feels too much like a digital piano. Lack of draw bars bugs me too. The Clavia tonewheel emulation does sound good but it doesn't sounds as realistic to me as the Korgs (CX-3/BX-3) do. Korg nailed all the nuances - keybed, leakage, OD, even the dirty rotaional hiss of a choraling Leslie while its sit idle waiting for you to play - sounds just like my old 147. Buy a Korg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 I finally came to the awful conclusion yesterday that I am going to have to build my own. What a sorry mess. How frickin hard is it to at least give me 2 manuals with the controls in the right place? Huh? Huh? The old Hammond company only got it right what, 70 years ago! Lets look at the current sorry crop. Hammond XK-3c - missing drawbars, mushy keyboard. No tilt tabs. You can assemble a 2 manual organ but they will gouge you over $4k for the privilege. XK-1 - controls in the wrong place, no split vib Nord anything - controls not authentic Roland VK-8, VK-88 - controls not authentic, non waterfall keys? Korg CX-3, BX-3 - controls not authentic Diversi - too heavy, too expensive, controls not authentic Voce Key5 - outrageously expensive, controls not authentic DLQ KeyB Duo - perfect! No wait, it won't be distributed in the States, and would cost $5K if it were. So I guess I'm going to have to take a couple of Hammond manuals, gut the weight out, wire up some midi transmit boards to the contacts and switches, and look for a sound engine to control. Great. I just want to play the @#$% thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted June 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFuAm07oRsU&mode=related&search= Killer emulation ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFuAm07oRsU&mode=related&search= Killer emulation ! Yes indeed. It's hard to judge from web clips, but from what I've heard this thing kills. Rumor is, that inside is a computer running linux and doing the sound engine. Also, that the guy doing the software has a version that's available, albeit a year old now. Maybe I'll build a little mini motherboard PC and install this as the engine in my organ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nitekattz2007 Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 Personally I don't like the B4 at all. Static key click and mushy tone. The B42 is better, but still sounds thin. Personally I would get a C1 from Clavia. You're not going to get a better non-leslied clonewheel sound than that! I fiddled around with some of the Nord keyboards last week and don't care for the keyboard feel. And as a color that is not one of my favorites, RED, I couldn't buy a RED keyboard, no matter how good it played. Couldn't Clavia make a silver or black model, why in the hell RED? Just my thing katt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted June 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 You MUST watch this !! Well, what do you say ?..... EDIT: More: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CAX5n2Ml9M&mode=related&search= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted June 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 What's the price it is going for ?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 So I guess I'm going to have to take a couple of Hammond manuals, gut the weight out, wire up some midi transmit boards to the contacts and switches, and look for a sound engine to control. Great. I just want to play the @#$% thing! Good luck because the manuals alone account for most of the weight of the Hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 I finally came to the awful conclusion yesterday that I am going to have to build my own. What a sorry mess. How frickin hard is it to at least give me 2 manuals with the controls in the right place? Huh? Huh? The old Hammond company only got it right what, 70 years ago!Lets look at the current sorry crop.Hammond XK-3c - missing drawbars, mushy keyboard. No tilt tabs. You can assemble a 2 manual organ but they will gouge you over $4k for the privilege.XK-1 - controls in the wrong place, no split vibNord anything - controls not authenticRoland VK-8, VK-88 - controls not authentic, non waterfall keys?Korg CX-3, BX-3 - controls not authenticDiversi - too heavy, too expensive, controls not authenticVoce Key5 - outrageously expensive, controls not authenticDLQ KeyB Duo - perfect! No wait, it won't be distributed in the States, and would cost $5K if it were.So I guess I'm going to have to take a couple of Hammond manuals, gut the weight out, wire up some midi transmit boards to the contacts and switches, and look for a sound engine to control. Great. I just want to play the @#$% thing! What tabs the rocker switches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miket156 Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 Matt: Instead of building a Hammond, why don't you just buy a B3 Chop? There's people in the MI that do that and have been doing it a long time. Spend your time playing instead of reinventing the wheel. Mike T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted June 13, 2007 Members Share Posted June 13, 2007 MC:Yeah, I know. I'm talking about radical surgury, using keys, key rails and combs, lose the contact stacks, lose the steel frame, transformer etc. Then there is the problem of the drawbar base and assembly, which is pretty heavy. I definitely have some research to do. If I could bring a dual manual assembly in at 40-50 lbs, that would be bearable. Kaster: yeah, the rocker switches Miket156: I have built several road organs over the years and currently own one. No matter how you slice it up, it weighs 200 lbs, or you can get it down to a couple 100 lb packages or so. I'll keep it around for easy load-in on special gigs, but am too decrepit to depend on it, especially with stairs and bad knees involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miket156 Posted June 14, 2007 Members Share Posted June 14, 2007 Matt: Yeah, I know what you mean. We use to haul around a B2 and twin Leslies back in the old days. We had a carrier for the Hammond, but it was still a bear. We had 5 guys in the band and at least 2 roadies. Getting it up and down steps was a problem. But we were young, and there really wasn't anything else that sounded like a B. I've seen and heard chops and they're an improvement for load in. Personally, the heaviest KB I carry is my ES8, with case its around 90+ loads. At my age, its more than enough to handle. Mike T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members a_rose2025 Posted June 14, 2007 Members Share Posted June 14, 2007 Geez. That head2head italian jobber vs. the b3 is impressive. I love my Nord, but I think the Cx3 is the most realistic (besides the above Italian job). And as far as inauthentic controls go... why would you want the fast/slow to be a left hand half-moon switch anyway? You have to take your hand off the manual to switch it. I love being able to do it with my left foot, and I don't really understand people's devotion to things like the half-moon. Other things like the rocking tabs for percussion I guess I can see the appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted June 14, 2007 Members Share Posted June 14, 2007 It's because back in the day people did things certain ways. Clones were not around so people that learned organ learned certain things they had to so they could play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted June 15, 2007 Members Share Posted June 15, 2007 why would you want the fast/slow to be a left hand half-moon switch anyway? You have to take your hand off the manual to switch it. Actually, no. I mount my half moon at the bottom octave of white keys, and can usually switch the speeds with a forearm drag without lifting my hand off the keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eric Posted June 15, 2007 Members Share Posted June 15, 2007 I thought this was a really cool video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jonny_Q Posted June 15, 2007 Members Share Posted June 15, 2007 I thought this was a really cool video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_j5TYIcN-s That sounds awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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