Members mrweems Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 whats a steal? Whats a decent deal.. In your opinion.. I'm all about trying to get one soon. since i finally moved in. ebay last i checked was at 400 shipped with a natural ones.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fadedjoy Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 gas'ing for one bad also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bisticles Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 I got a Sheraton II with a Gibson '57 Classic in the bridge with a case for $350 off of Craigslist last year. $400 isn't a bad deal if shipping is included. PICTURE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members miggy01 Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 I thought we had agreed that black was the sexiest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 natural is sexiest. i got mine brand new with a case for $400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eor Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 for the lame ass stock ones, the $400 range sounds about right, give or take. for something with a little extra wow, like the one below , it might run you a little more.love,eoryes, i did put the 4th knob on, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 WTF "lame ass stock ones"? are you high? out of the box the sheraton is one of the best deals in a guitar today. amazing quality, killer looks, and super playable. a classy ass guitar for $400? count me in. i was gonna swap the stock pickups but they have character and a sound all their own. booyah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eor Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 you aren't following. look closer, lenny. i never met the neck pup, and found the bridge merely "fine". did everything pretty well, but i wanted something different -- less "rock" -- so out it went. very pleased with how it turned out. love, eor pretend there's an arrow pointing down right here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 you aren't following. look closer, lenny. i think it is you who isnt following. i realize that you have one, but it is modded. I CAN SEE THAT. i am clearly saying that your comment about stock ones being lame is dumb. following? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eor Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 i think it is you who isnt following.i realize that you have one, but it is modded. I CAN SEE THAT. i am clearly saying that your comment about stock ones being lame is dumb. following?really? hey, let us know WHEN YOU CAN SEE THAT i made a facetious comment to draw attention to the modded sheraton that i happen to have for sale. we'll still be here. love,eor echodeluxe disclamer: stock sheraton iis are fine instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 i was actually curious on the pickup change options. Also i'm thinking natural / sunburst. so pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 If you see one online on Ebay or suchlike, I'd ask for the serial number. If it's a serial number that indicates it was a Peerless-made Sheraton, go for it. Peerless do fantastic guitars, they seem to be the main factory for the more upmarket midprice Epiphone guitars like the Casino, and their own brand guitars are very tasty indeed. The Saein factory guitars are also very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 If you see one online on Ebay or suchlike, I'd ask for the serial number. If it's a serial number that indicates it was a Peerless-made Sheraton, go for it. Peerless do fantastic guitars, they seem to be the main factory for the more upmarket midprice Epiphone guitars like the Casino, and their own brand guitars are very tasty indeed. The Saein factory guitars are also very good. what will the serial look like if its a Peerless or Saein Factory one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 All the serial number codes are on Epi's Wikipedia entry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphone If you see a guitar on Ebay and you get the serial number from the seller, enter it at this website and it'll tell you where and who made it:http://www.guitardaterproject.org/epiphone.aspx For example, my Epi Dot is 99110001. That gives the following info: Korea November c.1999 Production Number: 0001 On further searches, I think mine was a Saein factory. The Epiphone forum is a good place for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 All the serial number codes are on Epi's Wikipedia entry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EpiphoneIf you see a guitar on Ebay and you get the serial number from the seller, enter it at this website and it'll tell you where and who made it:http://www.guitardaterproject.org/epiphone.aspxFor example, my Epi Dot is 99110001. That gives the following info:KoreaNovember c.1999 Production Number: 0001On further searches, I think mine was a Saein factory. The Epiphone forum is a good place for information. is there that big of a difference in product QC ? the one i played today aside from the bridge pickup it sounded and played great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 From the main Epi forum, the consensus is generally that Peerless do the best work of all the Korean factories but Saein are close behind. Samick did a lot of work in the past. From a 2004 EPi interview with Jim Rosenborg:http://www.epiphone.com/news.asp?NewsID=83EPI: I thought all Epiphones were made by Samick. (smiling) JIM: I think that's what a lot of people still think. But that never was the case. Fifteen years ago, a lot of, but certainly not all, Epiphone guitars as well as other brands, were made at the Samick factory in Korea. Today, they don't make any guitars for us. In fact, they closed the Samick guitar factory in Korea a few years ago. Samick made decent guitars. Really there's very little to choose between these three and the Unsung plant guitars. The Peerless ones I've used have all been great and Saein made my Dot, which is still the nicest feeling neck I've ever used, and their own Shine brand of guitars are superb players. With their own brands, it seems that Peerless are priced higher than Saein's 'Shine' brand. From the guitars I've tried in stores, I'd say that Peerless do put in a little more work with their guitars. As said though, the difference is small so it will come down to how the guitar feels with you. I personally didn't get on with the Sheraton I bought, can't remember the factory it was from, only that it was built in 1998. It was very headstock heavy which gave an odd feeling to the guitar's balance when around my neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 so the headstock heavy part was the only thing that bothered you? Why did you choose a Dot over it? they just kind of look bland to me. and some of the rose wood looks kind of bland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members booher Posted July 21, 2008 Members Share Posted July 21, 2008 for the lame ass stock ones... The guys in Dr. Dog use Sheratons to the best of my knowledge...I adore their tone. edit: i didn't RTFT all the way through. my b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eor Posted July 22, 2008 Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 don't get me wrong. the stock pickup is the stock pickup for a reason. i just found it a little generic, but leaning towards rock. i wanted something kinda out there that wasn't as hot and i'm happy with the result. i'd recommend playing with the stock pups to see what it is you don't like about them and then act accordingly with your new pup purchase. but be advised that the sheraton, being maple body and neck, can be crazy bright in the wrong hands. the dream 180 i have in there, for example, is a pretty bright pickup, with a little less gain than the stock ones. which actually gives me a high gain tone i prefer. i found it more "open" and airy, with great distorted note clarity. i mitigate the brightness with careful amp settings and sometimes, flatwound strings. people also seem to prefer any korean epi to a newer chinese one, but it comes down to how you feel about each individual guitar. mine is an unsung, i believe, and i'm very happy with it. i'm only considering its sale to raise funds for an elitist dot. but if that never happens, i'm ok with it. lastly, dots have a hog neck and the sheratons have a 5pc maple neck. aside from that, the other differences are cosmetic; same pickups, too. that said, many (most?) say they can "feel" or "hear" or somehow precieve that sheratons are empirically better. you be the judge. love, eor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted July 22, 2008 Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 really?hey, let us know WHEN YOU CAN SEE THAT i made a facetious comment to draw attention to the modded sheraton that i happen to have for sale. we'll still be here.love,eorechodeluxe disclamer: stock sheraton iis are fine instruments. welcome to the internet, where sarcasm doesnt translate as easy as you think. carry on mr condescending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted July 22, 2008 Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 mine is a Saein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 {censored} the tele gas... unless the bridge on the sheraton is muddy.... ughhhhh... one went for 430 shipped today, mother {censored}er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted July 22, 2008 Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 so the headstock heavy part was the only thing that bothered you? Why did you choose a Dot over it? they just kind of look bland to me. and some of the rose wood looks kind of bland When I bought the guitar, I pulled the pickups and replaced them with GFS Nashville pickups, the non-hot ones. They were {censored}. Apart from the headstock weight issue, I didn't like the neck as much as my Dot. In the end, I sold the Sheraton on for a profit. The Dot was my first proper decent guitar. I bought that some five years before the Sheraton. The neck on the Dot is superb. It's a little wider at the nut than 1 11/16" and the neck profile has a little more wood to it than the classic slim taper 60's 335 neck. I've owned 335's by Edwards, Ibanez, Orville, Tokai, Maya and a few others, tried out Gibson 335's, and used other archtops and semi-hollow bodies by DeArmond, Rickenbacker and others, and I keep returning to the Dot. A lot of guitars have gone through my hands. It just feels right and I like the fact it's not ornate. In 2004 I had the guitar modded to include a bone nut, full rewire job, locking Grover tuners, took the pickups out and replaced them with Kent Armstrongs, and a fret job. In 2006, I put in Bare Knuckle Stormy Monday PAF's and they transformed it from a decent guitar to a really good sounding guitar. One odd thing with the guitar is that the colour has seemed to get darker over the years. Like I said elsewhere, it's a 1999 build. It's travelled several thousand miles in aircraft holds, done at least four trips to and from Toronto. People who have known me playing that guitar for a while have commented on the change so it makes me think I'm not going blind. I'm not a big one for flashy guitars so it suits me. A Gretsch White Falcon would not suit me at all. Those things are on a par with spiky metal guitars for sheer lack of taste. I've sold and and am selling pretyt much all of my other guitars now, and the only electrics I'm keeping are the Dot and a 1970's Ibanez ES-355 body which will get a full rebuild by the end of the year now I have a new job. The Ibanez is a seriously rare guitar. It looks a little like this Ibanez 2457Mine is earlier than the 2457, has the open book headstock rather than the post-lawsuit changed headstock, has all the inlays, original tortoiseshell pickguard etc. It's a very rare guitar actually. I've seen nobody at Ibanez Collectors World with a guitar like it. It's a shame that someone drilled a second pickup selector hole but she will live. She needs a full rewire and refret, new pickups, new tuners, everything... big project and a fair amount of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 When I bought the guitar, I pulled the pickups and replaced them with GFS Nashville pickups, the non-hot ones. They were {censored}. Apart from the headstock weight issue, I didn't like the neck as much as my Dot. In the end, I sold the Sheraton on for a profit. The Dot was my first proper decent guitar. I bought that some five years before the Sheraton. The neck on the Dot is superb. It's a little wider at the nut than 1 11/16" and the neck profile has a little more wood to it than the classic slim taper 60's 335 neck. I've owned 335's by Edwards, Ibanez, Orville, Tokai, Maya and a few others, tried out Gibson 335's, and used other archtops and semi-hollow bodies by DeArmond, Rickenbacker and others, and I keep returning to the Dot. A lot of guitars have gone through my hands. It just feels right and I like the fact it's not ornate. In 2004 I had the guitar modded to include a bone nut, full rewire job, locking Grover tuners, took the pickups out and replaced them with Kent Armstrongs, and a fret job. In 2006, I put in Bare Knuckle Stormy Monday PAF's and they transformed it from a decent guitar to a really good sounding guitar. One odd thing with the guitar is that the colour has seemed to get darker over the years. Like I said elsewhere, it's a 1999 build. It's travelled several thousand miles in aircraft holds, done at least four trips to and from Toronto. People who have known me playing that guitar for a while have commented on the change so it makes me think I'm not going blind. I'm not a big one for flashy guitars so it suits me. A Gretsch White Falcon would not suit me at all. Those things are on a par with spiky metal guitars for sheer lack of taste. I've sold and and am selling pretyt much all of my other guitars now, and the only electrics I'm keeping are the Dot and a 1970's Ibanez ES-355 body which will get a full rebuild by the end of the year now I have a new job. The Ibanez is a seriously rare guitar. It looks a little like this Ibanez 2457 Mine is earlier than the 2457, has the open book headstock rather than the post-lawsuit changed headstock, has all the inlays, original tortoiseshell pickguard etc. It's a very rare guitar actually. I've seen nobody at Ibanez Collectors World with a guitar like it. It's a shame that someone drilled a second pickup selector hole but she will live. She needs a full rewire and refret, new pickups, new tuners, everything... big project and a fair amount of cash. ah gotcha. but you can ultimately change out pickups for days... i was thinking the seth lovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrweems Posted July 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 the block inlays on the sheraton are just so much sexier than the dots on the dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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