Members onyxrhino Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 ^^^Wow, thanks for the shout out man. I really dig your posts too. and i hate that landau guy also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members recovery Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 i like my CC2 I love mine as well. Sounds awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 25, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 I think anyone buying a CC amp should playtest it first. Don't buy it sight unseen and unheard from Ebay. There's too much conflicting opinion out there on the CC amps. They're not {censored}, they're not good, they're both, if that makes sense. If you buy sight unseen, you might end up with a screamer of an amp that makes you aroused in ways you never thought possible... or you might be stuck with the amp equivalent of being stuck in a jacuzzi with Roseanne Barr whilst she's shaving her body. Agreed Andy... I have been aching for an AC30 again and almost did got one unseen/heard... i mean an AC30 is an AC30 right? Well.... no its not. i played it in musicground and laughed when he told me the price, so dont take that as the norm for their prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moogerfooger Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 with an ac30 you shouldn't need to 'figure out a good sound' you should plug into it go wow....tweek it to taste and go wow again but louder. my AC30CCH sounds fabulous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 you know what, I've been thinking and it seems that maybe the UK ones sound worse than the USA ones, is there are possiblity that whatever makes it run at 240v (transformer???) isn't as good quality as the ones they put in for the 110v models or something like that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 Ah, you played in Music Ground. No wonder it was four figures. Did you make any jokes about Music Ground stripping down old amps and putting the parts together to form one 'original, never tampered with' amp? Or is it just guitars they did that with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 you know what, I've been thinking and it seems that maybe the UK ones sound worse than the USA ones, is there are possiblity that whatever makes it run at 240v (transformer???) isn't as good quality as the ones they put in for the 110v models or something like that?? Quite possibly. Even on this thread we're seeing the US Vox owners loving it and the UK Vox users hating them. Maybe it's the trannies. Maybe it's just the way the amp is voiced. It appeals to North American ears more than British ears (and before people jump on me, I'm talking about styles of music and different sounds, as terms like 'the British sound' are quite accepted etc. It's not a jibe that Yankee ears are full of {censored} or something!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 Quite possibly. Even on this thread we're seeing the US Vox owners loving it and the UK Vox users hating them. Maybe it's the trannies. Maybe it's just the way the amp is voiced. It appeals to North American ears more than British ears (and before people jump on me, I'm talking about styles of music and different sounds, as terms like 'the British sound' are quite accepted etc. It's not a jibe that Yankee ears are full of {censored} or something!) well, I don't know but it seems like there is a trend here, it's too much of a coincidence...there's got to be a reason for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 25, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 you know what, I've been thinking and it seems that maybe the UK ones sound worse than the USA ones, is there are possiblity that whatever makes it run at 240v (transformer???) isn't as good quality as the ones they put in for the 110v models or something like that?? hmmmm... then what about the oranges/marshalls of the world? Either way its odd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 Allen Amps make good amps (http://www.allenamps.com/). They won't export to anyone other than Canada because they can't get the 50 hertz transformers required. Step-down transformers won't work because they overheat. Run your cursor over the 'No exports' icon top left on their website and you'll see. Now the Korg-era UK ones were built in the UK (doh!), possibly by Marshall if my addled brain is working. Which it isn't. Does that mean the UK ones sounded great because they were built to suit UK power and the Chinese ones suck when played in the UK because they're not designed to sound good with UK power? To answer this, there's only one way to solve it: I shall buy an AC30CC2X, play it in London and then fly to Toronto to try it out there. All I need is an amp, some time off and for you guys to raise the amp money, flight fares and accommodation. Whaddya say? If I do find it sounds better in Toronto, I then propose to destroy the amp live on tape. I will take it to the top floor roof of the apartment block I used to reside in downtown in TO and drop the {censored}er off the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 hmmmm... then what about the oranges/marshalls of the world? Either way its odd... yeah, I duuno I just figured it was something to do with this particular amp and a part they put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members strat-man Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 Spent 30mins with one on denmark street... dog{censored}. I was so gutted, being an ex AC30 owner i know the Vox sound and this was not it at all. All the options and features are nice on paper but i could not get a useable sound at all. The topboost was clangy and thin, the normal sounded much better (but its supposed to be the other way round for me like on the old models) and the switches were just plain confusing. looks like i might take the trade of the 1992 Vox head With the bright cap removed from the TB channel and the speakers broken in (which takes a {censored}in age in itself) i've been very happy with mine. I get the feelin this is the case with most AC30CC's, i see alot of negative stuff about them from people that have played them in shops/bought them new, and alot of positive stuff from people who have played/own used models where the speakers are sufficiently broken in and possibly the bright cap has been removed, the difference is night and day, just my observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 To answer this, there's only one way to solve it: I shall buy an AC30CC2X, play it in London and then fly to Toronto to try it out there. All I need is an amp, some time off and for you guys to raise the amp money, flight fares and accommodation. Whaddya say? If I do find it sounds better in Toronto, I then propose to destroy the amp live on tape. I will take it to the top floor roof of the apartment block I used to reside in downtown in TO and drop the {censored}er off the roof. well that aint gonna work is it? what you really need is a usa model and a UK model side by side running on the correct voltages and identical settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jo_to_2 Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 My AC30HH is built in China and sounds fantastic here...But that's not a CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wjbratcher Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 I'm convinced that it all has to do with tube quality and component "break-in" (mostly speakers). I was horrified at the sound of my cc1 when I first received it from AMS. After breaking in the celestion neo speaker, it was bearable but still nothing I was proud of owning. After tube upgrades, a Weber silver bell alnico, certain small mods, and hundreds of hours of hard playing, the amp sounds better than any I've ever owned (mostly vintage fenders and ampegs). But some people require something that sounds better off the shelf, and I respect that. I've played plenty of these amps in the shops (cc2x, 15 ccx, 15 h1tv, cc2, 30tb, 30tbx, 15 tbx) and they vary in brittleness and vox "authenticity". I believe it is 71% speaker break-in and 29% tube quality that accounts for the differences. But how can you really tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 With the bright cap removed from the TB channel and the speakers broken in (which takes a {censored}in age in itself) i've been very happy with mine. I get the feelin this is the case with most AC30CC's, i see alot of negative stuff about them from people that have played them in shops/bought them new, and alot of positive stuff from people who have played/own used models where the speakers are sufficiently broken in and possibly the bright cap has been removed, the difference is night and day, just my observation. interesting thought, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 well that aint gonna work is it? what you really need is a usa model and a UK model side by side running on the correct voltages and identical settings. Nah, if I take one bought in the UK and find it sounds better in Canada, then I think it'd prove something. I'd do your test too. We should do it. We could be the Clarkson and Hammond of the Vox world. Each week, we could test drive expensive amps and then go and carry out amusing challenges with CC amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 I'm convinced that it all has to do with tube quality and component "break-in" (mostly speakers). I was horrified at the sound of my cc1 when I first received it from AMS. After breaking in the celestion neo speaker, it was bearable but still nothing I was proud of owning.After tube upgrades, a Weber silver bell alnico, certain small mods, and hundreds of hours of hard playing, the amp sounds better than any I've ever owned (mostly vintage fenders and ampegs). But some people require something that sounds better off the shelf, and I respect that.I've played plenty of these amps in the shops (cc2x, 15 ccx, 15 h1tv, cc2, 30tb, 30tbx, 15 tbx) and they vary in brittleness and vox "authenticity". I believe it is 71% speaker break-in and 29% tube quality that accounts for the differences. But how can you really tell? I agree that speaker break in is very important with these amps. I don't think valves are an issue. I used brand new Harmas with both TBX and CC. They're quite clean sounding valves so I hitched other valves into the CC: Mullards, EHX.. no real change. Just slightly different types of nasty sound. This whole 'after we modded the hell out of it, took the speaker out, put something else in, took out components.. and then it sounded good' element... once you've done that, you may as well have gone and ordered a Valvetech Hayseed. I've played Laney amps, Fender amps and more expensive amps in an unmodded fresh out of the box state and none have sounded as bad as the CC. The bright cap mod is something that seems to be quite common. Wasn't it one of the Fender amps that a lot of people recommended should have a bright cap mod? Can't remember which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 We could be the Clarkson and Hammond of the Vox world. Each week, we could test drive expensive amps and then go and carry out amusing challenges with CC amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 25, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 right, i jusr seen the PGS demo of the Vox HH head... whats the difference with that and the CCx i tried earlier then lads? Coz that demo sounded pretty good t my ears... Can I also say for the record I was using a Gibson Les Paul with the Vox earlier so no its not coz i was playing some piece of crap gubbins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tubezipper Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 where is loobs anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tubezipper Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 right, i jusr seen the PGS demo of the Vox HH head.. yeah now that sounds real good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 (Heritage Series) This guy knows. I was dead set on getting a AC30CC2X combo, but when mine came in at my local shop, they also got an AC30H2. The owner kind of chuckled and dared me to A/B them. No contest. The Heritage series is like a whole other amp. It's {censored}ing unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 I'm not surprised Daz. Where did you play it? I was utterly shocked at how brittle, harsh and thin it sounded. Glad someone else agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted September 25, 2008 Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 [YOUTUBE]jI4tuvWAyys[/YOUTUBE] sounds pretty great here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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