Members Mysteron Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 now for the punchline...you could get all the things i listed plus a mixer for less than an mks-80 even without the programmer. I could replace my entire studio for the price of that Prophet but you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. This thread has made me realize that instead of upgrading my D-70 I should invest the money in the waldorf I have long coveted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShakaCthulu Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 I'm all about the Juno, but I don't agree that it is all that great for industrial. And I've never read an interview with Trent Reznor in which he has mentioned a Juno, nor have I seen one in any studio pictures. The 106 was used some on PHM, but I think it was in the studio, not one owned by him. Its pizzicato patches were used a lot. Alpha Juno is good for a more morbid, clinical analog sound...has some disadvantages compared to the 106 in that the filters don't self oscillate, and the envelopes aren't nearly as snappy, even in gate mode. But it's a great synth, especially in tandem with other equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Check out the Akai AX/VX line...that's some nasty bass right there. Add some external FX and you've got killer analog bass for ~$200 - $300. AX-80 AX-60 AX-73 VX-90 VX-600 (rare & expensive) Some demos:Akai AX-80 Demos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eskimoDenver Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Headhunter was a dx7, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Acid Hazard Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Don't forget about the Ensoniq VFX. Though not analogue. It was used as the main sound source for Front 242's Tyranny For You. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Check out the Akai AX/VX line...that's some nasty bass right there. Add some external FX and you've got killer analog bass for ~$200 - $300. AX-80 AX-60 AX-73 VX-90 VX-600 (rare & expensive) Some demos: Akai AX-80 Demos How rare are the racks? ive been thinking of getting the ax 60 rack .. or one of them .. I like the demos, but i've never played one .. anything you want to throw in about them cause ive really been straing them down lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Acid Hazard Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 The AX-60 has one of the meanest filters i've ever encountered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Akai VX-90's pop up on Ebay maybe every 4-6 weeks or so, and usually sell for ~$200. Ive been thinking about picking up an AX-60 myself...I love my AX-80. A friend who has both says they complement eachother quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eskimoDenver Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 My VX-600 has a 'harsh' filter, but I've never really loved it.. More like chripy birds putting a steak knife through your ear. -it's not a colorful resonance. It is technically industrial, as mine was on FLA's "Tactical Neural Implant" shortly before I bought it. I've never really used it as a super bass machine. It seems to like middle range tones the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 do you use the email alerts? I'll have to put one in.. tahnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 sweet sweet demos .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 do you use the email alerts? I'll have to put one in.. tahnx Yep! Got one for all my favorite synths, just to keep track of prices. Almost everything fluctuates over a given amount of time. Buy low and sell high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted March 20, 2008 Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 The 106 was used some on PHM, but I think it was in the studio, not one owned by him. Its pizzicato patches were used a lot. What... I never heard or read that before. What song would he have used it? That EMU wooden block sample he used for all those wavetablish clangy melodies is quite incredible sounding. I still would like to hear that actual patch from the EMU sample library. I still can't believe it's a 'woodblock' sample. He also used Turbosynth to process sounds and whatnot, so 'the' sound might be more Turbosynth possibly. I was just listening to a live cd of the Self Destruction tour, you can hear some of the synths better in live show cds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted March 20, 2008 Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 I love teh analog! The Jupiter-6 sounded a little "thin" at first ... until I MIDIed it to the Juno-106 ... Perfection ... One of the complaints of the Jupiter is that the bass disappears when the resonance is increased ... that could be true ... but with the Juno picking up the bottom end, the result is terrific ... They're like an older and younger sister... VERY similar synths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShakaCthulu Posted March 20, 2008 Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 What... I never heard or read that before. What song would he have used it? That EMU wooden block sample he used for all those wavetablish clangy melodies is quite incredible sounding. I still would like to hear that actual patch from the EMU sample library. I still can't believe it's a 'woodblock' sample. He also used Turbosynth to process sounds and whatnot, so 'the' sound might be more Turbosynth possibly. I was just listening to a live cd of the Self Destruction tour, you can hear some of the synths better in live show cds. It wasn't used heavily. You can hear it in That's What I Get and a couple other songs, in TWIG it's the blippy solo synth in the little bridges that connect the verses, the classic Juno pizz sound. It didn't belong to him, it either belonged to Flood or the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AveyTare Posted March 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 Check out the Akai AX/VX line...that's some nasty bass right there. Add some external FX and you've got killer analog bass for ~$200 - $300. AX-80 AX-60 AX-73 VX-90 VX-600 (rare & expensive) Some demos: Akai AX-80 Demos although not really "industial-sounding", those demos are really nice is that true that Trent was using (or still does) Nord Micro Modular as part of his signature sound? i've read it somewhere, but dunno if it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 20, 2008 Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 so you're saying that because trent uses it, it's industrial?Just dont miss the larger point that it's what you do with it and how you program it that really matters. And effects help too ..just as a counter point I was discussing buying one of those, and dont think i'd have any trouble making it industrial sounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted March 20, 2008 Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 The Unison mode of the Jupiter-6 is really great ... As for most of the functions of this synth, it seems, detuning in real-time is super smooth and VERY musical ... The end result is QUITE sufficient ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShakaCthulu Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 just dont miss the larger point that it's what you do with it and how you program it that really matters. And effects help too .. Absolutely. Especially w/ industrial (what a nebulous term that is). The process is really more imporant than the parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members controlvoltage Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 The processNot Skinny Puppy's best album, but certainly industrial. Back in those days we considered Trent to be a pop artist... although Fixed and Further Down got a lot of replays....and yes, you can make industrial music with a glockenspiel and a dictaphone if you want; it's much more about the attitude and the production techniques than this or that particular instrument. Although some synths are certainly nastier than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AveyTare Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 so you're saying that because trent uses it, it's industrial? Just dont miss the larger point that it's what you do with it and how you program it that really matters. And effects help too .. just as a counter point I was discussing buying one of those, and dont think i'd have any trouble making it industrial sounding. no no no! the term "industrial-sounding" isn't well-suited to express what i mean. i just mean that those Akai synths, while sounding really nice, wasn't aggressive or raw, which is what i was calling "industrial-sounding". the question about Trent wasn't connected with the point about those Akai synths. i'm just curious if it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grumphh Posted March 22, 2008 Members Share Posted March 22, 2008 Alpha Juno ... and the envelopes aren't nearly as snappyThey sound pretty damn fast to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grumphh Posted March 22, 2008 Members Share Posted March 22, 2008 no no no! the term "industrial-sounding" isn't well-suited to express what i mean. i just mean that those Akai synths, while sounding really nice, wasn't aggressive or raw, which is what i was calling "industrial-sounding". the question about Trent wasn't connected with the point about those Akai synths. i'm just curious if it's true. Take any nice mellow 80's synth and put it through a couple of filters and distortion pedals and see if it doesn't get aggressive, raw and "industrial sounding" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted March 22, 2008 Members Share Posted March 22, 2008 Take any nice mellow 80's synth and put it through a couple of filters and distortion pedals and see if it doesn't get aggressive, raw and "industrial sounding" Right there. PROBLEM SOLVED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShakaCthulu Posted March 22, 2008 Members Share Posted March 22, 2008 They sound pretty damn fast to me... They're not sluggish by any means, but I found the 106 and others' envelopes to be faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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