Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 ... how modulated delay works to everyone. If I understand correctly, the sound of a modulated delay depends largely on the interaction between: 1. The delay time (variable) 2. The rate of the modulation (which is fixed on the CC, the Mem Toy, and DMM) 3. The depth of the modulation (which is fixed on the CC and the Mem Toy) 4. The style and timing of the performance (infinitely variable) 5. To find a sweet spot (also infinitely variable in definition) in the effect, all 4 of the above need to be considered and adjusted accordingly. If I'm wrong about this please correct me. I'm of the feeling that there's a lot of misinformation spreading around here concerning the quality of gear based on the audibility or usefulness of modulated delays. Dare I say those critiques are mostly user error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pedmands Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 Oh, I thought this was going to be about the two week old spam thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 Oh, I thought this was going to be about the two week old spam thread Yes, that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.R. Shove and Stuff Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 My delay has speed and depth controls, along with feedback, level and rate... So there is 1, 2 and 3.. I think I've found some pretty sweet spots for chorus, vibrato and plenty of other sounds, so there is 5. I don't understand 4. Do I get an 80% in your modulation class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ben_allison Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 You can control depth and rate of modulation on the CC via internal trimmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 Do I get an 80% in your modulation class? LOL I need Phil to school me too. Delay time, rate, song tempo... it's about timing and synchronization (or the lack of). No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 You can control depth and rate of modulation on the CC via internal trimmers. True, but once they are fixed to a setting, they are fixed for a sweet spot that will work great for some delay times and performances, and not so great for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members companyman Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 True, but once they are fixed to a setting, they are fixed for a sweet spot that will work great for some delay times and performances, and not so great for others. hey fenderehx4ever I pm'd you a question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 hey fenderehx4ever I pm'd you a question Responded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members c+t in b Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 isnt there a mod for the dmm that howard davis does where you can change the rate with a pot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skr3ddy Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 I find that the sweetest sweet spot is when you dial in the modulation rate to exactly the delay time. Then you don't hear the pitch shifting like when they're not in sinc, but you get this wonderful, watery-depth feel without the sickening pitch shifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 isnt there a mod for the dmm that howard davis does where you can change the rate with a pot If anyone could do that, it would be Howard Davis. I just might have to get that mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 I find that the sweetest sweet spot is when you dial in the modulation rate to exactly the delay time. Then you don't hear the pitch shifting like when they're not in sinc, but you get this wonderful, watery-depth feel without the sickening pitch shifts.Voila! If there's an authority on this subject around here, Skreddy would definitely be one Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldCrankyDouche Posted September 27, 2009 Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 2. The rate of the modulation (which is fixed on the CC, the Mem Toy, and DMM)3. The depth of the modulation (which is fixed on the CC and the Mem Toy) Not fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 Not fixed.http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showpost.php?p=36664671&postcount=7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I find that the sweetest sweet spot is when you dial in the modulation rate to exactly the delay time. Then you don't hear the pitch shifting like when they're not in sinc, but you get this wonderful, watery-depth feel without the sickening pitch shifts.I like that sound a lot too. I also tend to use subdivisions quite a bit too - one half or one eighth of the delay time or whatever. I also tend to time delays to musical tempo a lot. I don't always work with click tracks, so sometimes it' a tap it out and enter a value that's close, then adjust by ear. To me, that last part is a really important step, even when working with a click. Sometimes I want the feel of the delay and / or modulation to push the beat a little, or to lay back a bit, and IMO it's pretty much all good - or bad, depending on what the song / part calls for. As far as the OP's questions, I really would be happy to do a full scale reply, but I have an album deadline staring me in the face and three last songs to finish editing and mixing (and I took a day off yesterday so I could spend it with my wife on her birthday...), so I'm going to have to pass for right now... but if the thread drops off page one and I forget to get back to you in a day or so, drop me a PM and remind me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 27, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2009 I have an album deadline staring me in the face and three last songs to finish editing and mixing (and I took a day off yesterday so I could spend it with my wife on her birthday...), so I'm going to have to pass for right now... but if the thread drops off page one and I forget to get back to you in a day or so, drop me a PM and remind me please. Good luck with the album, Phil. And to emphasize the point, there are 3 threads on page 1 right now that could use some authority. http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2446579 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2446576 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2446315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IamBurnout Posted September 28, 2009 Members Share Posted September 28, 2009 I'm confused. Flange and chorus are modulated delays. Keep lengthening the delay time, and the modulation adds more character to the echo, and less on the dry signal (as opposed to the previously mentioned flange and chorus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted September 28, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2009 I'm confused.Flange and chorus are modulated delays.Keep lengthening the delay time, and the modulation adds more character to the echo, and less on the dry signal (as opposed to the previously mentioned flange and chorus). True, flange and chorus are modulated delays where the delay time is usually less than 50ms. And when the modulation cycles are as fast as the delay time, you definitely hear a major difference - it starts to sound like a ring mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hilikus8 Posted September 28, 2009 Members Share Posted September 28, 2009 You can control depth and rate of modulation on the CC via internal trimmers. I've gotta try this, a warbly chorusy thing is just what my CC is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.R. Shove and Stuff Posted September 28, 2009 Members Share Posted September 28, 2009 Some modulated delays, the modulation is variation of the rate, not necessarilly modulation from a short delay time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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