Members Steve Drojo Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hey! I recently put in a Celestion Vintage 30 in my Peavey Ultra 112 combo. This week, I started playing loudly with a band and have been running it with no ext. cabinet. I noticed that the speaker itself is pumping away( I use it with master on 6-7 and ultra channel volume between 4-5). I mean you can see it pounding away:eek: (no porn reference intended!) Can I blow this thing? I thought these rated for 70 watts. Just curious. BTW, I have a Carvin $20 Celestion copy as a back-up in case, but that V30 sounds SSOOOO good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZachOmega Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 You can blow it out, but it shouldn't if you don't have it cranked. However, know that that 70 watt rating is for sine waves. When you put a square wave (drive/distortion) through a speaker, it works it a lot harder. This can cause the speaker to suffer from premature failure. -Zach Omega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members potaetoes Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pepi Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Probably blow your eardrums out first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atbear Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Isn't the V30 a 60 watt speaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ConcreteVampire Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by atbear Isn't the V30 a 60 watt speaker? I beleive so. {censored} it. Run till it blows. It's not very rock and roll to worry about such things. Now go pee in the corner of the room... Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fxrs Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by atbear Isn't the V30 a 60 watt speaker? Mesa's V30 is rated @ 70 watts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steve Drojo Posted October 29, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Well, I'm playing a show tonight. We'll see how it holds up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cousin itt Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by ZachOmega You can blow it out, but it shouldn't if you don't have it cranked. However, know that that 70 watt rating is for sine waves. When you put a square wave (drive/distortion) through a speaker, it works it a lot harder. -Zach Omega Actually distortion is easier on speakers. It's loud transients that do the most damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZachOmega Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Good to know. Especially since I'd like to keep my 1954 P15N running forever. -Zach Omega Originally posted by cousin itt Actually distortion is easier on speakers. It's loud transients that do the most damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wanky Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by Steve Drojo Hey! I recently put in a Celestion Vintage 30 in my Peavey Ultra 112 combo. This week, I started playing loudly with a band and have been running it with no ext. cabinet. I noticed that the speaker itself is pumping away( I use it with master on 6-7 and ultra channel volume between 4-5). I mean you can see it pounding away:eek: (no porn reference intended!) Can I blow this thing? I thought these rated for 70 watts. Just curious. BTW, I have a Carvin $20 Celestion copy as a back-up in case, but that V30 sounds SSOOOO good! i belive the v30s are a 70watt speaker and u shouldnt be able to blow it out with 60watts, however it will get very loose when cranked as opposed to the tighter sound in a 4x12 cabnet. Id be quite surpised if you did blow em out but its a definite posiblilty but id say u have only a 1% chance of blow em out in a 60 watter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members potaetoes Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by cousin itt Actually distortion is easier on speakers. It's loud transients that do the most damage. extreme transients are put extreme forces on the components, and yes that's bad. but whether distorted or clean, power flowing through the coil is power flowing through the coil. that makes heat, and too much heat can warp or blow the coil. tube power sections running into distortion can create power well above their clean power rating, and if that goes too far over the speaker's power handling, it can overheat voice coils regardless of whether the signal is clean or dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Break it in a little easily, to soften it a bit...before you run the piss out of it...it should be OK then...and make sure you didn't tighten the screws holding it in to much, that can mis-shape the frame and cause the voice coil to rub... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yourguitarhero Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 I blew a Vintage 30 with a Mesa F-50 head ran pretty high on the master (think full up!) It didn't happen immediately, but after 3 months of practise and gigging it was {censored}ed royally - sounded like {censored}. I use Celestion Hot 100's in my 1x12" now, and an attenuator. Admittedly I'm playing a 100W head now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monkeysuit Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 hm engl actually puts a single v30 in their Sovereign 100/112 combo that has even 100 tube watts.considering that engl should know what their doing i doubt that you could blow it with a 60 watt amp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yourguitarhero Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 You will. It's rated at 60W, It will work to start with then not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by Steve Drojo Hey! I recently put in a Celestion Vintage 30 in my Peavey Ultra 112 combo. This week, I started playing loudly with a band and have been running it with no ext. cabinet. I noticed that the speaker itself is pumping away( I use it with master on 6-7 and ultra channel volume between 4-5). I mean you can see it pounding away:eek: (no porn reference intended!) Can I blow this thing? I thought these rated for 70 watts. Just curious. BTW, I have a Carvin $20 Celestion copy as a back-up in case, but that V30 sounds SSOOOO good! Well,why do you think you couldn't blow a 70 watt speaker with a 60 watt amp? The rating is certainly no guaranty. And speaker rating is usually a measurement in how much heat the VC can dissipate,not the speaker's mechanical limits. You just have to use a little common sense. Even moreso with an open-back cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gRxMx Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Mesa has their speakers modified slightly from Celestion, their Black Shadow, is a Classic Lead 80 (80W) with ventilation for the voice coil which may be slightly beefed up for a nice 90W. Their Vintage 30's are much the same, they're a 70W speaker. Direct from Celestion, however, they ARE a 60W speaker. There are never any guarantees. Solid state amps are alot kinder on speakers since you dont have the dynamics going on that you do with a tube power amp, ie: those that are associated with the transfer of alot of power from a very high impedence source to a very low impedence load. Tube amps are less kind, and generally if you're really cranking that master, you're probably actually putting out more power than the amp advertises, and with that comes a risk of blowing it, in your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Regardless of a speaker's thermal rating(which is usually what the power rating is based on) If you start hammering the VC against its bump stops(and you can,especially with lots of bass and through an open-back or untuned vented box,with less than its rated power handling)eventually the VC will become off-center and start rubbing,which creates a distorted tone and a path for the heat to move into the VC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steve Drojo Posted October 29, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Thanks for the info:) It made it throught the gig last night, As I said in my other thread, the club's acoustics were SO bad, it didn't matter anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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