Members OneHappyPappy Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 I think he was using the 8100 with his bc rich stealth w/ x2n in the bridge. pretty sure it went straight into the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exposeenmity Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 I was using the 8100 with a fender telecaster and LTD MV-200, I tried using the onboard drive, but I thought it had so little gain. In order to get anything near to Death type tones, I had to use a overdirve or distortion pedal in front. I used a Crate GS412 cab with it. Mine was used, so maybe something was up with it that I wasn't aware of. But, from what I remember, I honestly cannot see anyone using that amp for metal by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Idiot Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by exposeenmity I was using the 8100 with a fender telecaster and LTD MV-200, I tried using the onboard drive, but I thought it had so little gain. In order to get anything near to Death type tones, I had to use a overdirve or distortion pedal in front. I used a Crate GS412 cab with it. Mine was used, so maybe something was up with it that I wasn't aware of. But, from what I remember, I honestly cannot see anyone using that amp for metal by itself. Were you on the od2 channel with the button pushed in, gain to 20? If you were, then there was something definitely wrong with it. Everything from Individual Thought Patterns onwards was recorded with the 8100. The amp was recommended to Chuck by producer Scott Burns over at Morris Sound Studios in Florida. During the time of ITP, Chuck was leaning towards using rack gear but wasn't happy with the sound he was getting. Burns was going gaga over this amp so he suggested it to Chuck and the rest is history.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OneHappyPappy Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Inspired to play Empty Words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 The best 8100 tone is on Meshuggah's Destroy Erase Improve... I think Death's tone does sound very much like a cheapo $300 head, but I only have the Human album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OneHappyPappy Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 I think Chuck was using JCM800's with an overdrive on the Human album. ITP was the first with the Valvestate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JnBroadbent Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 I really dig In Flames- Whoracle and Jester race, both done with 8100's but with distortion pedals in front. It was a metal zone and a...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matter-Eater Lad Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by realbeeker you can say studio magic but they really kept it up well live. Doesn't matter. You can still apply that so-called "studio magic" to live work. Miked up cabinet, mixer, some effects, most important EQ and the mixer. That's something that is totally forgotten with all of the people out there searching for, say, EVH's old sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members danhops Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 I played with a band for a very short time where the other guitarist had one of those. I remember thinking it sounded pretty good at the time, so its no surprise to me that some guys can get some good tones out of em. I dont subscribe to the all tube amps only feelings of most players though. I have gotten some great tones out of some SS amps for rock and metal when I needed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members doomsdaymachine Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Andy Laroque uses them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JnBroadbent Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by doomsdaymachine Andy Laroque uses them too. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ConfessorT Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 King Diamond guitarist and guest on Death's Individual Thought Patterns album. Now go buy King Diamond Abigail I and II and Conspiracy. You'll thank me later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sm0ke5150 Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by JnBroadbent I really dig In Flames- Whoracle and Jester race, both done with 8100's but with distortion pedals in front. It was a metal zone and a...? thats soo crazy. i love their tones on those albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 17 Tubes Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by danhops I have gotten some great tones out of some SS amps for rock and metal when I needed to. ValveState amps are tube preamp into SS poweramplification. The power of the preamp tube into SS amps is moot, but it *could* be argued that there IS a tube in the tone loop, especially early...so it's a tube-driven sound. IS it that far fetched that the tube originates the tone and the SS amplifies it...giving a decent tube sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by 17 Tubes ValveState amps are tube preamp into SS poweramplification.The power of the preamp tube into SS amps is moot, but it *could* be argued that there IS a tube in the tone loop, especially early...so it's a tube-driven sound.IS it that far fetched that the tube originates the tone and the SS amplifies it...giving a decent tube sound? Actually, the whole amp is SS, Preamp and Poweramp. Then there is 1 preamp tube right at the end of the preamp to 'warm it up' but has nothing to do with the actual gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grind Cruncher Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 It's really to bad that Marshall didn't just make a few little tweaks or leave as is the old Valvestate preamp section and just up the wattage of the the power amp section and call it a Mode Four or whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 17 Tubes Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by Shask Actually, the whole amp is SS, Preamp and Poweramp. Then there is 1 preamp tube right at the end of the preamp to 'warm it up' but has nothing to do with the actual gain. Okay.... You're telling me the "whole amp is ss". Then you tell me there is a preamp tube to "warm it up". You'll have to tell me what that means. Is the "whole" amp solid state or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EvilThatMenDo Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 i love my Valvestate head. good sounds come out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yabba Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 people need to get over the ss = crap thing. especially for metal, there are some excellent SS amps out there. actually, on second thought; solid state sucks! don't buy one! keep the prices low! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by 17 Tubes Okay....You're telling me the "whole amp is ss".Then you tell me there is a preamp tube to "warm it up".You'll have to tell me what that means. Is the "whole" amp solid state or not? The whole amp is SS. The tube just kinda sits there as a buffer after the preamp. It actually doesnt create any distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 17 Tubes Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by Shask The whole amp is SS. The tube just kinda sits there as a buffer after the preamp. It actually doesnt create any distortion. Um...I never said it creates "distortion".I still don't get the "whole amp is ss". And the "tube just kiund of sits there". So:the amp is NOT all solid state, and you're not sure WHAT the tube actually DOES?I am actually serious. I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 I dont really know how to explain it, since you want to nitpick the fact there is a tube in there, and I say its all SS. Generally a Preamp tube creates distortion. Thats where 'tube tone' comes from. The tube in SS Marshalls are a bufffer. Think of it like an EQ sitting in the FX loop with the sliders set flat. Yes, it may effect the tone in a slight way, but you could basically take it out, and get the same thing. Basically what I am saying, is you could bypass the tube in a VS, and have the same tone. It does very little. This is COMPLETELY different than a tube preamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members code_blue Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Does anyone know if Chuck used an 8100 on the Live in L.A. DVD? I think he does, and the tone it pretty damn good, real clear and doesnt lack in the low end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by code_blue Does anyone know if Chuck used an 8100 on the Live in L.A. DVD?I think he does, and the tone it pretty damn good, real clear and doesnt lack in the low end. Yeah, he does, you can see it behind him on the left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members code_blue Posted February 26, 2006 Members Share Posted February 26, 2006 Originally posted by Shask The tube in SS Marshalls are a bufffer. Think of it like an EQ sitting in the FX loop with the sliders set flat. Yes, it may effect the tone in a slight way, but you could basically take it out, and get the same thing. Did you hear this from someone that did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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