Members gregwar Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 if you're willing to pay $6000 you could get 4 voyager rmes or similar config. this guy has a lp and rme connected... dare to dream?[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AnCap Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 A LP rackmount with poly chain would solve this and quite possibly be a big seller. $800 or so for a great mono rack? It would sell. Would some people buy more than one, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdh Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I can only imagine the new poly vs the MM debate that would follow given what transpired btn the Voyager and miniD - I for one would be eagerly sitting on the sidelines waiting to hear from those who purchased the new poly. While I have loved my miniD since '74 I never really wanted an MM when they came out. I liked the Oberheim sound and CS80 better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I can only imagine the new poly vs the MM debate that would follow given what transpired btn the Voyager and miniD - I for one would be eagerly sitting on the sidelines waiting to hear from those who purchased the new poly. If the Andromeda is any guide for Internet bitching patterns, the pattern is as follows. When available: . When a collector's item: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Franz Schiller Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Firstly, I think 5 voices is optimum, maybe with an option for expansion boards (like ye old Oberheims). Each voice should have 2 oscillators, like the Little Phatty. Also like the LP, there should be minimal multifunction knobs. The only real expansion should be a multimode filter with highpass. I bet they could pull it off around $3k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted February 4, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 If the Andromeda is any guide for Internet bitching patterns, the pattern is as follows. When available: . When a collector's item: . Agreed The Andromeda is still sporadically available though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 If the Andromeda is any guide for Internet bitching patterns, the pattern is as follows. When available: . When a collector's item: . Boy ain't that the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Ok, my first attempt to post this failed miserably, stupid forum crapping out So I'll do the "super-brief" version this time. Street price on Little Phatty is around $1200. Assuming the markup is (conservatively) 50%, that's $600 cost to build and ship a single LP, including case, keyboard, voice board, panels, switches, power supply, labor etc. Let's say the LP voice board costs $200 to build. Put 8 of them together, that's $1000. Put them in a case w/keyboard, panel, switches, power supply etc. Based on my LP figures, let's say everything minus the voice boards costs $600 (a bit more than a LP sans voice board due to larger case/keyboard and a more powerful CPU/firmware to handle polysynth duties). So, that puts the raw cost of the PolyPhatty-8 at $1600. 50% markup = $3200, and Moog could probably mark that up more than that to avoid competing too much with the Voyager. If the actual markup on the LP is higher, thus the cost to manufacture is lower, the break-even point on a PolyPhatty would be correspondingly lower too. I'm sure my figures are way off, but it should give the idea that a "PolyPhatty" shouldn't cost too many arms and legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 My $6000 guess was for a "PolyPhatty". I hope Moog proves me wrong and actually makes the darn thing and charges $3000. ...if they did, they'd probably want to put a static high pass filter or 3-band EQ at the end of the signal chain to tame some of its girth. That "beef" can be useful in a mono but not so much for a polysynth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Moogue schmoogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 ...if they did, they'd probably want to put a static high pass filter or 3-band EQ at the end of the signal chain to tame some of its girth. That "beef" can be useful in a mono but not so much for a polysynth. I was just going to comment on this, but James has said it perfectly.If I remember correctly, the knock on the Memorymoog was it was so powerful, it tended to overpower everything in a mix. People loved to stack the voices tho and it kicked butt.So yes, I would also think they would have to tame it down for a poly synth and with something no more than 4-5 voices. I still think the Memorymoog is in the Top 5 list of sexiest looking synthesizers ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DawdlePuss Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I had almost forgotten about the Omega 8, then I read this thread and thought to myself, "I wonder how that thing sounds." I promptly watched this video and now I will be unproductive all day, dreaming of delightful analog sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Moogue schmoogue. (pic of SEM snipped)When you consider the SEM was originally designed to be an expansion module for Moog synths, if you really want to do it right, you'd hook that SEM up to your Moog for real fat analog fun! Re: the comments on a Moog poly being "too" fat - this is why they don't need to cram 4-8 Voyagers into the box. 4-8 LPs would do just fine. Tweak the signal path some to reduce overdrive and whatever else makes the Phatty "phat", bringing it closer to Voyager smoothness, and that would make a dandy voice for a poly. One other thought I had--back when the monster discrete-component polys were king, they were huge and expensive because of all the through-hole components. With today's SMD parts and boards, today's discrete-component synths are smaller and cheaper to build than they were back then. Just another point toward the possibility of an affordable Moog poly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Hamburglar Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Omega 8 is the answer to all these questions. Check out Cl516's blog post(s) about this synth...they're pretty much the most appealing I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I had almost forgotten about the Omega 8, then I read this thread and thought to myself, "I wonder how that thing sounds." I promptly watched this video and now I will be unproductive all day, dreaming of delightful analog sounds.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrUddjdd6U&feature=related WOW. Normally I don't GAS so much for analog synths because they always just sound "old" or have some dude tweakin knobs. THAT however is simply amazing and exemplifies what modern synths are missing. I've never heard ANY VA even touch that, or even many RA's (Youtube) for that matter. When I think analog THAT is the sound that's in my head! God I wish I could afford it though...:poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I think we, as synth enthusiasts, have a very skewed vision of the actual market for synths in general, much less real analog ones. Oh, so THIS. Nearly every day of my retail life included a variation on this conversation: Customer: I'm astounded that they don't make this box or add this feature to their products. What kind of idiots are they? Why wouldn't they listen to their customers?! Me: You're pretty much the only one who cares. And you wouldn't buy it anyway. The perfect example was the Roland AX-7. We had one on the floor for over a year and couldn't sell it. Then Roland discontinued it, we blew the floor model out at less than dealer cost, and the very next day, multiple people started screaming "What!? How could Roland discontinue the AX-7?! It's the only keytar available! I absolutely need one!" Then, a few months later, it was reissued, presumably due to "customer demand". Well, we got another one in, and... it sat on the floor for months. The very same people who freaked out when it disappeared suddenly didn't care, and certainly weren't going to pay the $399 we charged for it. They just wanted it available in case they felt like buying one later. And the AX-7 was discontinued again. This same stupid cycle repeated no less than two other times, and we decided to only get AX-7s in as a special order (and therefore, never sold another one). I strongly suspect a $5000 8-voice Voyager would result in similar inanity. People want to play it at Guitar Center and swoon over its knobbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted February 4, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 ^ That ^ is why they should do a short, finite run. Let people know "this is not forever". That's the equivalent of someone putting "discontinued product" up at musicians friend, letting them know that it's stock only and once it's gone it's gone. Beyond that we're not talking about a no name designer. Moog is one of the most well known companies out there in synth land. Hip Hop guys know about Moog, Industrial guys know about Moog, IDM, Pop, everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Well, you started this thread, sausagefoot. If Moog were to say: we're going to do it, but you need to buy one up front. Pay $5K right now, and in 18 months we'll send you one. Would you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted February 4, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Well, you started this thread, sausagefoot. If Moog were to say: we're going to do it, but you need to buy one up front. Pay $5K right now, and in 18 months we'll send you one. Would you do it? I'd find a way, especially in light of the Andy apparently in process to be discontinued. If the Omega 8, a rackmount synth, is still being manufactured for 4500 bucks I fail to see where a Moog keyboard in a similar price range would fail. Cwazy ol' me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 If the Omega 8, a rackmount synth, is still being manufactured for 4500 bucks I fail to see where a Moog keyboard in a similar price range would fail. Cwazy ol' me.Neither Moog nor Studio Electronics are large companies, but I can only assume Moog has a larger overhead (more people, more $$ spent on advertising, etc.). They have to sell considerably more units before it becomes profitable. A tiny company could sell a couple hundred $5k synths and do very well. If Korg or Roland did that, they'd lose a ton of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I'd find a way, especially in light of the Andy apparently in process to be discontinued. I really, really hope there you'll have a chance to put your money where your mouth is Why not buy a Studio Electonics 8-voice Omega or Code then, to start with? It has a very good version of the Moog ladder filter (some say it's closer to a Minimoog Model D than a Voyager is), and it's available right now. Why don't you have one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted February 4, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 I really, really hope there you'll have a chance to put your money where your mouth is Why not buy a Studio Electonics 8-voice Omega or Code then, to start with? It has a very good version of the Moog ladder filter (some say it's closer to a Minimoog Model D than a Voyager is), and it's available right now. Why don't you have one? I don't have any rackmount gear. I prefer keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted February 4, 2010 Members Share Posted February 4, 2010 Sorry, I still don't buy it... I'd say you have a better chance at getting SE to make a 61-key Omega or Code. After all, they already have the synth. Why not pursue that instead? Their filter is arguably closer to the Model D ladder filter, than the Voyager's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted February 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2010 I'd say you have a better chance at getting SE to make a 61-key Omega or Code. After all, they already have the synth. Why not pursue that instead? Their filter is arguably closer to the Model D ladder filter, than the Voyager's. I know nothing of the Model D, I've never tried one. Vintage in whatever condition it has degenerated to isn't of any interest to me. I like the things that the new wave of "analog with digital perks" has brought to the table. I have tried Voyagers out and I love them. I've never tried anything from Studio Electronics, though I'd like to. Needless to say, in the "recession" we're in, not all music stores are carrying a wide breadth of gear..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Oh, so THIS. Nearly every day of my retail life included a variation on this conversation: Customer: I'm astounded that they don't make this box or add this feature to their products. What kind of idiots are they? Why wouldn't they listen to their customers?! Me: You're pretty much the only one who cares. And you wouldn't buy it anyway. Oh boy... You REALLY know the retail world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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