Members chuckgp Posted January 16, 2007 Members Share Posted January 16, 2007 ahhh, the new literalist-spew thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 16, 2007 Members Share Posted January 16, 2007 God does everything perfect,. FALSE God does not do everything perfect. From a theological viewpoint, God is incapable of creating a perfect circle. Course... Marduk and Eris could make one.... there is still time to convert you know, seek out your pineal gland! Find the Goddess! EDIT: Just for clarification on the whole issue, I am not an athiest, but a deist. But don't tell the Goddess that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boogienights Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 My understanding is that God desires that we love him freely. To do this He had to allow us complete freedom of choice. Without this freedom of choice (free will) we would be like robots or puppets, loving God because we had no other choice.I liken it to loving a woman, would you compel her against her will to be with you even if you had the power? Isn't what we are searching for is have a woman respond out of her freedom to our desire for her?As far as I can tell the Marquis de Sade knew very little of love, and freedom without love is just license, IMO.PeaceBob I totally agree, that is what I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boogienights Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 God does not do everything perfect.From a theological viewpoint, God is incapable of creating a perfect circle.Please explain that one, or point me to resources because on the surface that sounds rather silly to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hail Satan ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 God does not do everything perfect.From a theological viewpoint, God is incapable of creating a perfect circlePlease explain that one, or point me to resources because on the surface that sounds rather silly to me. Simple really. God is not omnipotent. There are limits to what God can do. God can not create a perfect circle, it is impossible. Course, I speak from a Catholic point of view, since that is what I was taught in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hail Satan ! Sanguis bibimus Corpus animus tolle corpus Satani Ave Satani Ave versus Christos Ave versus Christos Ave Satani Hmm, I think I got some of the words wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Simple really.God is not omnipotent.There are limits to what God can do.God can not create a perfect circle, it is impossible.Course, I speak from a Catholic point of view, since that is what I was taught in. my question to you, is: Does God have free will? scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 my question to you, is:Does God have free will?scott. After careful consideration of this question, speaking of my own thoughts, god does not have free will. Looking at things such as Revelation... this is predetermined... how could an event be predetermined by god while still having free will? Determinism removes free will. Perhaps god once had free will however I believe he longer has that ability and is just watching us move down the line. Phew, now that I am out of that little devil's advocate situation, as I said earlier, I am a deist, I believe in an impersonal god, I don't care about god, and it doesn't care about me, the feelings are mutual. As a result, I do not believe in Revelation or a biblical Apocalypse, I believe all things must come to an end but not in such a manner as Revelations. Since god is not a personal being, I do not believe it is possible to give god characterizations such as "free will". It merely is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 good answer. god is incapable of having free will, as he (being all knowing) can see every possible outcome of any choice he were to make, thus removing any sort of free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 good answer. god is incapable of having free will, as he (being all knowing) can see every possible outcome of any choice he were to make, thus removing any sort of free will. 'He's' still free to choose which outcome happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 then why is it that free will makes us human? are you saying that god too is human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boogienights Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 After careful consideration of this question, speaking of my own thoughts, god does not have free will. Looking at things such as Revelation... this is predetermined... how could an event be predetermined by god while still having free will? Determinism removes free will. Perhaps god once had free will however I believe he longer has that ability and is just watching us move down the line.Phew, now that I am out of that little devil's advocate situation, as I said earlier, I am a deist, I believe in an impersonal god, I don't care about god, and it doesn't care about me, the feelings are mutual. As a result, I do not believe in Revelation or a biblical Apocalypse, I believe all things must come to an end but not in such a manner as Revelations. Since god is not a personal being, I do not believe it is possible to give god characterizations such as "free will". It merely is. that's like saying you do not have free will because you planned to go to the zoo tommarrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 what happened at the zoo, however, is unknown to me. to add, because god knows every possible outcome of every possible choice, he also knows which choice he is going to make, hence, no free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 These pontifications about the nature of God are truly hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 These pontifications about the nature of God are truly hilarious. I must agree to a degree, nonethless, they make for interesting, intelligent discussion and debate. Now who doesn't enjoy that? Besides, for the true answer one must only look to their pineal gland and all will become clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boogienights Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 what happened at the zoo, however, is unknown to me.to add, because god knows every possible outcome of every possible choice, he also knows which choice he is going to make, hence, no free will. Just because he knows what choice he is going to make does not mean he doesn't have free will. If you said I could bang a really hot girl or a homley skanky girl with an eye patch I know what choice I'm gonna make before you ask me about it, does that mean I don't have free will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 I must agree to a degree, nonethless, they make for interesting, intelligent discussion and debate.Now who doesn't enjoy that?Besides, for the true answer one must only look to their pineal gland and all will become clear. Open the third eye, like a good Deist:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boogienights Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 haha! I'd bang the hot one in the peneal gland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Open the third eye, like a good Deist:D The Goddess has not yet revealed to me the secrets of the Anja. In ime She will however... She will. Also, yes men, it is possible to do the Goddess, however it is only possible once you have found Her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 The Goddess has not yet revealed to me the secrets of the Anja. In ime She will however... She will. Also, yes men, it is possible to do the Goddess, however it is only possible once you have found Her. Consume the Holy Entheogens to gain favor with the Goddess; The Lady Salvia is kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Consume the Holy Entheogens to gain favor with the Goddess; The Lady Salvia is kind Unfortunately the Goddess would not think highly of me for performing such an action, she is a jealous Goddess you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Unfortunately the Goddess would not think highly of me for performing such an action, she is a jealous Goddess you see. Try a different Goddess:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kill_the_Son Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Try a different Goddess:thu: Eris is my Goddess, there are no other Goddesses. KALLISTI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Eris is my Goddess, there are no other Goddesses.KALLISTI! Discordianism? Eris is pretty interesting, I think entheogens are chaotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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