Members JamesPeters Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 I liked my JCM800 more (mostly due to it's clarity even with the gain maxed and overdriven), though the 800 wasn't as big/deep sounding. Too bad you changed your mind about my modifying it while I lived in Calgary and you were at my place...and I could've done it on the spot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members danbronson Posted March 18, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 I guess there's just something about "hacking up" (even if you can make it reversible) an amp like that that doesn't sit well with me. I liked that it was as old as it was and stock/mint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members omni Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 Because the sound of sizzling bacon is very sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JamesPeters Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 I guess there's just something about "hacking up" (even if you can make it reversible) an amp like that that doesn't sit well with me. I liked that it was as old as it was and stock/mint. But you brought it to me to get it modified in the first place, I said I'd change one capacitor--and that it would be easily reversible later to make it look stock again--but then you changed your mind at that point. I don't understand how I could've given you any better option in terms of a mod. Changing one small component is hardly considered hacking the amp up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 But you brought it to me to get it modified in the first place, I said I'd change one capacitor--and that it would be easily reversible later to make it look stock again--but then you changed your mind at that point. I don't understand how I could've given you any better option in terms of a mod. Changing one small component is hardly considered hacking the amp up.James Peters does mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarstar81 Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 ^ Not so. Here's a tour video of their factory:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz1Z16JIaaMLooks like a comfy place to work, but it doesn't seem like anything super high tech or whatever. that's actually the old shop. They recently moved to a new place. It's much cleaner and more organized looking than their old shop in the video. And plus, the floor is purple! That adds mega mojo! Mike is a great guy who builds a great amp. If people are willing to pay the price he asks, then why is that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JamesPeters Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 James Peters does mods? Sometimes, but not often. What I prefer to do, if I do a mod, is to focus on one or two aspects of the sound a person isn't happy with. It involves a discussion, my trying the amp, retubing it and biasing it (usually first), getting the owner to consider different guitars/pickups/speakers if it makes sense, then in the end I may change a few components in the amp to make it closer to what the person wants. I have no blanket mods for all amps, and I won't usually even try to make other amps sound like my designs (since they might as well be made with turret boards, because there'd be a lot to modify and I'm not going to hack a PCB amp to do it).If you are looking for something that's representative of what I design, consider my amps. If you have an amp that's not quite where it should be in terms of sound or feel, maybe I'd modify it. But I'm not even advertising that and for what it's worth I don't even care to be doing mods. There isn't enough money to be made from it for the time spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buntaluffigus Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 James Peters does mods? I NEVER KNEW THAT WE SHOULD PM HIM ABOUT MODS?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Baron55 Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 The SLO is a great amp, but it is also way overpriced. It costs retail to buy all the parts less than 1000.00. Now Soldano, gets those parts much cheaper because he buys in quantity. By going PCB, this actually cuts labor costs and parts costs because large quantity's of PCB's are cheap compared to PTP wiring. The SLO has less parts and is more simple than the Rectifiers and 5150 amps. It is a very basic 2 channel amp that also has bleed issues with the clean channel. (Clean channel bleeds into the high gain channel.) Not a huge deal but many guys mod them to stop that. The SLO is a 1500.00 dollar amp tops. But it got a great reputation in the late 80's and some famous people starting playing them, Clapton, Warren Haynes, every 80's metal player, etc. So the amps name is what you are really paying the extra money for. It is a great amp, but really not worth more than 1500.00. The SLO is the most commonly "cloned" DIY amp because it is so easy to do. The SLO Clone forums, are a group of guys who dead on clone the SLO's for under 1000.00 and that is including either PTP or a heavy plated PCB. So yes the SLO is way overpriced. But as someone stated, people fell they are getting something when buying one, so the will pay the prices. Mike will charge what ever he can get away with. Most companies do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alchemist Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 That's the problem. If no one would willingly pay more than 2k for the SLO. Mike won't be able to charge so much If Mike couldnt "charge so much", I doubt he could keep enough profit margin to stay afloat, or at least to make owning the business even worthwhile. Its not like hes a huge company swimming in money where hes just charging more to be greedy.... Besides, the target audience who is requesting lower prices would most likely just buy used anyway, even if the prices sunk to around 2K... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 For the love of god, can people stop saying the 5150 and the dual recs have the same circuit as the SLO? Even if they do share 90% of it, there are plenty of tweaks and differences in both that make them sound completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stratotone Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 If he charged too much for the SLO, then he'd be out of business. High gain amps, even clones, aren't that easy to build - most built by people trying to save a buck are plagued with noise and oscillations. I owned a VERY well built SLO clone, and it was 90% of the tone of a real one to my ear. But there are some people that are going to pay more for that last 10%, and it's worth it to them. I hate these threads, they tend to be full of idiots complaining about the high cost of things that they only see the price of parts on. Take into account that he has to pay people to build them, has to pay insurance, has to pay for office space, etc. If you look at the Soldano office, it's not like he has gold plated walls or anything. The guy ain't a gazillionaire! Plus shouldn't he be able to make a few bucks on something that HE DESIGNED? How many hours did Mike spend refining that amp? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riffy Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 If he charged too much for the SLO, then he'd be out of business. High gain amps, even clones, aren't that easy to build - most built by people trying to save a buck are plagued with noise and oscillations. I owned a VERY well built SLO clone, and it was 90% of the tone of a real one to my ear. But there are some people that are going to pay more for that last 10%, and it's worth it to them.I hate these threads, they tend to be full of idiots complaining about the high cost of things that they only see the price of parts on. Take into account that he has to pay people to build them, has to pay insurance, has to pay for office space, etc. If you look at the Soldano office, it's not like he has gold plated walls or anything. The guy ain't a gazillionaire! Plus shouldn't he be able to make a few bucks on something that HE DESIGNED? How many hours did Mike spend refining that amp? Pete Best post. One I am in COMPLETE agreement with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adiohead Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 i think they're too expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members luker_X Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 Because the sound of sizzling bacon is very sexy. Now thats the EXACT thought that comes to mind everytime I hear a new JVM clip posted. So, Which amp wins the "Fizzy Sizzler" Award a JVM or a SLO ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 I NEVER KNEW THAT WE SHOULD PM HIM ABOUT MODS?!?! :eek: DON'T YOU DARE!!!seariously...dont ask james peters. he really doesn't like it. ESPECIALLY when it comes to mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riffy Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 i think they're too expensive So what? I think the Bogner XTC is too expensive. I think the Cornford models are too expensive. I KNOW the 5150 is too expensive. I think EVERY AMP above $1000 is too expensive. But since when does what you or I think make any difference. I have owned the SLO, there is no other amp that does what it does. NONE. So it brings what it brings. Also, your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it, but that doesn't make it an informed opinion or a correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adiohead Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 So what? I think the Bogner XTC is too expensive. I think the Cornford models are too expensive. I KNOW the 5150 is too expensive. I think EVERY AMP above $1000 is too expensive. But since when does what you or I think make any difference. I have owned the SLO, there is no other amp that does what it does. NONE. So it brings what it brings. Also, your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it, but that doesn't make it an informed opinion or a correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riffy Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 You gave your opinion, I gave mine. Not in a good mood today.Therefore, I won't mince words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adiohead Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 You gave your opinion, I gave mine. Not in a good mood today. Therefore, I won't mince words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 Used SLO's in mint condition for less than $2,000 are a thing of the past. Mike sort of "started it all" for that type of tone. He has a rep and his amp delivers the goods. You get what you pay for. If you don't want to pay Mike's price for a new one, I highly doubt he would care. Good luck, these days, finding a mint used one cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adiohead Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 some people need to take a deep breath a chill the {censored} out. i only think it's too expensive because i want one but can't afford it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 haha. i'm in the same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JamesPeters Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 haha. i'm in the same boat. Finally, some truth comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lord ToneKing Posted March 18, 2007 Members Share Posted March 18, 2007 Soldanos are built to 'military specifications'. Which means extremely high-grade parts and extremely meticulous craftsmanship. They don't let so much as a spec of dust in the room that their built in...these guys are probably wearing spacesuits. No joke!You mean not like the thugs working at Krank?? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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